SolusCado,
You are not concerned with the physical sufferings of others ?
No, not particularly.
Once again you are speaking for god as if you know what he is concerned about and use the bible for that basis when the bible does show a god who cares about our physical well being.
I'm just telling you what the Bible says. I don't preface every single statement with "The Bible says... " because that's a lot of extra typing.
Once again you are contradicting yourself.
Finding verses that contradict what I am saying (if indeed you do) doesn't mean that
I am contradicting myself.
"1 Corinthians 6:19-20 (New International Version)
19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your bodies. "
That is telling people to not corrupt themselves, because our bodies are not our own to corrupt. In no way is it suggesting that God is there to make our lives more comfortable.
He did.
"Numbers 31:7-18
They fought against Midian, as the LORD commanded Moses, and killed every man. Among their victims were Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur and Reba - the five kings of Midian. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. The Israelites captured the Midianite women and children and took all the Midianite herds, flocks and goods as plunder. They burned all the towns where the Midianites had settled, as well as all their camps. They took all the plunder and spoils, including the people and animals, and brought the captives, spoils and plunder to Moses and Eleazar the priest and the Israelite assembly at their camp on the plains of Moab, by the Jordan across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. Moses was angry with the officers of the army - the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds - who returned from the battle.
"Have you allowed all the women to live?" he asked them. "They were the ones who followed Balaam's advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man."
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Numbers+31:7-18&version=NIV
To be taken as wives or concubines, not slaves.
He also approves of genocide.
He approvED (indeed, commanded). Once more, an instruction given at a particular point in time, and of little relevance to Christianity.
Pointless indeed. Go ahead, apologize away.
You know, I'm not sure the verb "apologize" is actually apropos for the "apologetics". The term is rooted in the Greek "apologia" which referred to a defense, rather than an apology. It would be more correct for you to use the phrase "defend away", as I am not apologizing for anything.
Yet you refuse to see that he commanded slavery and genocide.
That you so often put words in my mouth belies the fact that you must not be reading my posts completely. It would seem that you are assuming I say things that I don't, most probably because you have heard similar arguments from others. It is insulting. Anyway, I never claimed God didn't command genocide, and you still haven't shown that he commanded slavery.
What do you mean by the ACTUAL biblical god. I am referring to the biblical god. I didn't write that shit, it was inspired by god. Your god. So stop trying to hide him away. Bring him out in all his glory.
What I mean is that you only focus on the actions of the Israelites, and ignore what the Bible says about God. The books of Psalms, the Song of Solomon, and much of the New Testament does more to define God than the actions of the Israelites, and yet you seem to ignore them. That's what I mean.
I have a limited view ? I am not the one who basis his beliefs on texts written by a bunch of ignorants thousands of years ago who CLAIMED to hear god.
So rather than actually address my point regarding your view of God and His Creation, you just attack me and every author of the Bible? Can't we be more civil than that? Kindly address my points or stay silent.
Oh, and then we have to consider human error in the mix and oh also all of those interpretations that were apparently wrong because in fact they were a bunch of ignorants and now have to be re-interpreted.
Yes. That is correct. Make up your mind. Do you believe history is full of "a bunch of ignorants" or don't you? I am expected to recognize other's as wrong, but only if it results in the same course of action as you desire?
LOFL. That is not scrutinizing at all. That is what you call a self fullfiilling prophecy because the texts don't change. So you have to make things fit where they don't.
Dude. I'm sure you know what a self-fulfilling prophecy is, so why you felt the need to use the term incorrectly here I have no idea. But, in case you DON'T know, a self-fulfilling prophecy is to predict something that, by virtue of its prediction, causes it to come to pass. So, what exactly have I predicted? And in what way does that prediction cause itself to be proven? Frankly, I am surprised you are objecting to the basic premise as much as you are. You clearly think the authors of the New Testament were "ignorant" - which is a core premise to my assertions. Why SHOULDN'T I re-evaluate what they have written with their ignorance in mind? Why would you expect them to be ignorant, and yet their writings to not reflect that? You're as bad as the 6-day, Young-Earth creationists.
For example. Slavery allowed. It doesn't fit with our understanding of slavery being wrong.
So you then have to make it fit.
I know, I will just claim he only mean't it for that time.
Does that really make sense or do you just need it to make sense otherwise god forbid you would actually come to the realization that it shouldn't be there. That is unacceptable because you have been indoctinated to believe and are not able to shake free from it personally. Your ego would be dented.
Does it really make sense that a God, infinitely more wise and knowledgeable than us, would teach us what we need to know as we need to know it? Um, duh! Of course! We do it EVERY SINGLE DAY with children and parents. Hell, the Bible even refers to God as OUR FATHER!! And us as HIS CHILDREN!! The metaphor is RIGHT THERE. So, yeah - it makes a helluva lot more sense than the Genie God you want to pretend the Bible describes so that you can dismiss it as unrealistic. (For the record, I too would see a Genie God as unrealistic.)
So you rationalize.
One more time, please answer. The bible, is it a book for all time or just for the time it was written ?
Why do I have to keep answering that? Did you forget the million other times I've said it.
Uh, SolusCado, slavery IS in the bible.
Then, once more, show me where.
Except that he wasn't talking to 5 year olds, or 15 year olds. He was talking to grown men. Correct ?
This is the first intelligent response you've had in this post. They were grown men physically, of course. But not spiritually.
EDIT [Inane ramblings and insults will no longer be addressed.]
Nice try, see above as well.
What your answer here is he allowed children to kill other people. Afterall, they were too immature to know what they were doing when he commanded genocide. They were but children mentally.
That's your excuse.
Not mentally, spiritually. Do you truly not understand the difference, or are you just being argumentative?
http://www.religioustolerance.org/sla_bibl1.htm
Specifics about dealing with slaves. These are but a few in the link as an example.
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If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.
So now you are simply disapproving of the punishment? Your statement could be said about ANYTHING. "Oh, so a man can rape a woman in the US, as long as he goes to jail for 10 years?" They didn't even HAVE prisons back then. I am so tired of your pointless commentaries. You have yet to address anything the Bible says about God, and you think it is going to change my mind about who God is??
LOL. Yep, you learned these misconceptions 15 years ago. How old are you SolusCado ? Who is being deceived ?
How on earth is that relevant? As I said before, inane ramblings and insults will be ignored. Kindly stick to the points of the conversation or YOU will be ignored.
But don't you also believe that god has a chosen people. Why would he talk to the rest of us ?
Oh, that's right because we are all his people. But wait, then what makes the chosen people special then. If we are all special nobody is.
Addressed in previous posts.
He never came back to tell us slavery was wrong. We figured that our on our own. We outgrew the god of the bible.
Addressed in previous posts.
Fail. Don't F with me Solus. We are talking about the OT and have been since you had firmly stated that the OT was not flawed.
Once again, what the hell are you talking about? You asked if it was a possibility for me to challenge and change my beliefs. I gave you an example of how that is precisely what I have done in the past, and you insult me? If your next post isn't more adult, I'm just going to block you so I don't have to be subjected to your anger and hatred.
Missed the question or point. He created us all, why did he "choose" a people to back. Doesn't it make more sense that a god that created all humans, choose sides. More to the point, does it make sense for a god to choose sides and command them to kill his other creations ?
Addressed in a previous post.
You have provided reasons, all of them poor. Besides, he never came back to enlighten us. But now you claim that isn't necessary. Just moving posts around.
Duh - that's what Christians believe Christ did. Are you sure you are arguing against Christianity? I think you need to find some Jews on this forum and challenge them.
I understand who your god is which is why I am asking you to scrutinize things because actually, you don't know your god.
And yet you have yet to provide a single line of scripture describing who my God is. Like I said above - go argue with a Jew.
First of all I am not a god. But, we do have answers for them as they grow. Your god was inspiring grown men. The analogy fails.
As I noted before, these men (and clearly, yourself included) were not grown spiritually. Mentally, physically, sure. But not spiritually.
Last warning. If your next post doesn't actually raise points in a rational manner, you will join phlogistician in my list of people who clearly harbor some anger and hatred that is getting in the way of any kind of adult, logical discourse.
