The irony is that atheist agree with each and every religion, in regard to the complete certainty that alternative religions are absolutely wrong. Why are we atheist seen as so different from all religious beliefs. Can we not use your own proof against the falsity of other religions.
I have to disagree with you..
Theists are on the offensive...They try to convert people..And threaten eternal torture to those that don't submit.
Atheists are on the defensive.. Not choosing to believe in an antiquated concept. Based neither in logic, nor reality.
How many atheist "door knockers" have you ever encountered?
Unfortunately, the enslaved don't get to choose who their master is.
I still agree with you on this one. (See, there's hope for you yet.) Someone who does not exist CANNOT be immoral, wrong or anything else.
It's people that are the problem.
Actually, the fact they need to knock on doors would make theism the defensive position, as they need to enlist re-enforcements!
this is about practicality. whether you subscribe to a religion or not, whatever you cite as the source of your moral values is what was up to question for the sake of discussion and understanding what those moral values are. it's not that atheists actually believe that their god exists.
True, but that's playing in their sandbox. It's a diversion from the initial discussion.
The dictionary defines atheism as "the doctrine or belief that there is no god". So perhaps atheists, by and large, don't know what they are.
Identify a group as militant doesn't rank them compared to other militant groups.
Obviously, it is a different kind of militancy.
I couldn't agree more.
Geez. Come on. That is not very Christian behavior.
Unfortunately, that is too true. And those who think it applies to only specific groups, or that the group ideals are somehow responsible for the hatred, have a woefully poor understanding of the human psyche.
Wow. I barely know where to start.
First of all, it isn't the entirety of theism that is responsible for burning anyone. Puritans and the Catholic Church... that's about it, as far as I recall. So to toss that out there as though it is the fault of theism is dishonest.
Secondly, because YOU never look for theists to convince them that there is no God has nothing to do with atheists as a whole, and anyway the "militancy" of atheism is referring to the attitudes of those atheists who do engage. Looking through the posts on this site there is certainly enough atheists who speak about theism with such condemnation and anger as to characterize the attitudes as militant.
Third, the position of theists doesn't have anything to do with the position of atheists. Both sides are capable of being "militant".
Why does a theist gain by having others "added to their ranks" any more or less than an atheist? Your statement carries with it no logic, just a conclusion, and as such could be equally applied to anything - which renders it meaningless.
I don't see it as any different at all. It is indeed one more religious belief.
You are also selecting a specific group or two of theism and applying it to ALL theists. Dishonest.
I have no desire to get into a pissing match with you Solus..
And DON'T take that to mean that I concede that you're right here.
IMO, you are very quick to write off anything anyone says that goes against what you preach.. As you say, what I believe is "meaningless", I feel the same way about what you constantly spew.
You won't convince me that your opinions are right, nor will I convince you, that mine are.. And let's face it, when it comes to a belief in God, that's all we're working with..BELIEF...No proof that a God exists, no proof to the contrary.. Only OPINIONS.
So, try being civil, and a little less insulting and condescending please.
And DON'T take that to mean that I concede that you're right here.
IMO, you are very quick to write off anything anyone says that goes against what you preach.. As you say, what I believe is "meaningless", I feel the same way about what you constantly spew.
You won't convince me that your opinions are right, nor will I convince you, that mine are.. And let's face it, when it comes to a belief in God, that's all we're working with..BELIEF...No proof that a God exists, no proof to the contrary.. Only OPINIONS.
So, try being civil, and a little less insulting and condescending please.
My apologies for coming across as condescending. It was not my intent. And frankly, my responses to you have been less about your position and more about your approach. You are making claims without justifying them, and there is no discourse that can come out of that, other than - as you put it - a pissing match. I debates, one must justify their positions with logic, and I don't see you doing that.