Norsefire-have you wandered down one of my rabbit holes? Is there any light in there? What are you trying to do, begin a semitic version of the KKK? With you as the Enlightened Leader of course.
Atheists do NOT have constitutional rights
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Wow, you're really out to win the gold in the "Trying to defend what you said even though it was retarded" competition. Where does the sovereignty of the U.S. government come from? Well, let's check the Constitution:
Ah, there it is, first thing. And don't worry; I can assure you that most atheists do indeed believe that people exist.
This is especially funny since just the other day Norsefire created a thread in which he asked why atheists are so upset about religious people. The answer, obviously, is that retards like Norsefire (who apparently doesn't even understand the difference between the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution) try to make bullshit arguments like this one to deprive atheists of their rights.
As was already explained the Constitution derives its authority from the will of the people, not god. The rights given to U.S. citizens in the Constitution come from the authority of the people. You'll notice that god isn't mentioned anywhere in the constitution, except to the extent that the 1st amendment says that congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.
Yes, it does. What's your point? Do you think that money is the basis of people rights in the USA? Although you could argue that in a certain ironic sense, I suspect that it isn't how you mean it.
The Declaration of Independence states that rights are God-given; the rights in the Constitution are God-given. The reason people have those rights is because they are "endowed by their Creator"
It is an interesting and important historical document, but it doesn't have any bearing on the workings of government of the USA. Lawyers, congressmen, etc. derive all the rules of law and government from the Constitution.
False. Are you actually a citizen of the USA? If so, have you ever taken a civics class? Or are you not old enough to have been through one of those yet? The Declaration has as much relevance to the basis of the U.S. government as the Federalist Papers, or Thomas Pain's "Common Sense," or George Washington's diary. It is an important historical document, but it isn't the basis of our government. The fact that you seem to think otherwise only prove that you don't actually know anything about the U.S. government.
False. The Constitution wasn't even written until a decade after the Declaration, so it's absurd beyond belief to think that it was intended as an explanation for where the rights enumerated in the Constitution come from. They were written by different people. The Constitution explains where the rights in the Constitution come from. And the answer is "we the people."
No, it isn't; the Constitution doesn't create the rights, it's interpreting rights based off the "inalienable rights to life liberty, and the pursuit of happiness"
If you check up on the personal beliefs of the man who wrote the thing, you'll find that using the word "Creator" instead of "God" or the like was not an accident.norse said:
If he had meant "God", he would have said "God". He was not a careless writer, nor that a carelessly written document.
You're a long way from the Constitution, in time, space, author, political motivations, and every other way.SAM said:
As an expression of fundie theology, yes. Most people look elsewhere for their theological beliefs.SAM said:
I can provide you with peer reviewed empirical evidence that I don't buy chocolate Easter eggs.
Your challenge to my rationality is empirical evidence that we are not created equal.
Therefore it appears that you are experiencing some defect in the meiosis of your humour chromosome.
Don't worry - in the future science will be able to solve problems like yours through controlled family planning
Leo Volont
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Rights are not predicated upon Beliefs. A person may still have an Inalienable Right whatever the conditions of his Belief.
Perhaps our Genius needs to look up "Inalienable" and find out what it means.
Now, God is not necessarily referred to here. We hear the word "Creator"... well, fine, then... consider your Creator to be your mother... everyone has one of those. It just so happens then, that being born of a Mother confers you with certain Inalienable rights, as odd as that might seem...
The question for American's today is why do Inalienable Rights stop immediately at their border... or at least do not extend all the way to Cuba or most especially to the Middle East where any suggestion of Human Rights is routinely laughed aside by Security Contractors working for American Paychecks.
Perhaps our Genius needs to look up "Inalienable" and find out what it means.
Now, God is not necessarily referred to here. We hear the word "Creator"... well, fine, then... consider your Creator to be your mother... everyone has one of those. It just so happens then, that being born of a Mother confers you with certain Inalienable rights, as odd as that might seem...
The question for American's today is why do Inalienable Rights stop immediately at their border... or at least do not extend all the way to Cuba or most especially to the Middle East where any suggestion of Human Rights is routinely laughed aside by Security Contractors working for American Paychecks.