Ronan,
This is close to the realization that an infinite past must be true. The reasoning is that if there was ever a time when nothing existed then there would be nothing to cause anything to follow. I.e. something must have always existed otherwise we could not be here. However, we have no reason to conclude that “reality” (whatever you choose that to mean), has godlike properties or not.
what do you mean by god-like property?
mine i just that it is conscious and as I told you, we only experience consciousness by definition, so that is your side to prove that reality can be unconscious
It is somewhat condescending to request someone to broaden their views and follow it with a baseless assertion, as if your claim to superiority should be sufficient proof. You haven’t made your case yet so I would recommend you restrain yourself from insinuating others are narrow minded and look to your own narrow minded view that god is the only answer and seriously consider broadening your horizon to consider alternatives.
You misquote/misunderstand me, It was about the statement:
With 'conventional god' I meant a personified god, in stead of just regarding nature as god or godlike.
I asked him to open his horizon because there are many kind of believes in god and to say that one is conventional to argue that mine is not valid (not shared by many) is a sign to show that he did not want to know about other believes.
I do not see any reasoned argument here that bridges the chasm between various aspects of what is meant by reality to the quantum leap assertion that reality is a god.
I define god to be a conscious reality, it is a belief that I argue is true,
Many share this belief in this kind of god as I already said in this thread . It is not a quantum leap at all, it is the way I see (with many other) what god is. So if you do not like the word "god", please replace it in your mind by "conscious reality" and argue against that instead.
If you cannot proof that reality is not conscious
and if you cannot proof neither than unconscious reality can give rise to consciousness
then you should see why my belief is justified
The best we can project right now is that consciousness is a gestalt experience that occurs beyond a particular threshold of escalating neural complexity and interaction. I have no idea what you are talking about, that the brain and consciousness are somehow separate? Our problem right now is explaining consciousness. It is indeed a very complex issue.
brain and consciousness cannot be said to be separated or not because maybe we are dreaming of having a brain.
Note that Nagle, Jackson, and Chalmers, deliberately attempt to limit the scope of science and make the erroneous conclusion that consciousness can never be explained by science. History is littered with authority figures asserting an event can never occur, only to see that very event occur later.
So prove that an unconscious reality can give rise to consciousness!
Unsupported assertion. A worthless statement.
Please refer to what I said earlier,
if you do not like the word "god" replace it by "conscious reality"
Gibberish. A complete non sequitur.
Prove then that it is unconscious !
