Atheism

Enigma'07

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" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning

Comments?
 
What is atheism?
There seem to be many misconceptions about what an atheist is and is not, and what atheists do and do not believe.
Although the following will not apply to all atheists, I feel it gives a general overview of atheism:


An atheist, quite simply, has no belief in any deity. ("A-Theist" = "Without Theism")


Atheism is not, in any possible sense of the word, a religion. It is the total freedom from religion.


An atheist is not, by definition, a pagan, a satanist, a communist or un-patriotic.


Atheists do not hate God or Jesus, they simply do not believe in the existence of God or the divinity of Jesus (or anyone else, for that matter). Christians, for example, do not believe in the Hindu God Ganesh - that is not the same as hating Ganesh, is it? Disbelieving or disagreeing is not the same as hating.


Atheists do not believe in God for many of the same reasons that they (and theists) do not believe in leprechauns, unicorns or the Gods of other religions.


Atheists are not amoral. You don't need a Holy Book to tell you what is Right and Wrong. Compassion, reason and experience serve perfectly adequately.


"Atheism" only tells you what a person does not believe. Atheists have wildly different views on many topics, and may only agree with each other when it comes to the subject of religion. Some atheists are Secular Humanists (myself included) which does give an indication of what they believe, or their stance on a particular idea.


Some Christians think atheists somehow make a special effort not to believe in Jehovah and Jesus in particular. Nope. They are just two among thousands of gods we don't believe in, there's nothing special about them from an atheist's point of view. Atheism is not the opposite of Christianity - it's the absence of theism.


Atheists are not servants of Satan, nor do we worship him. Atheists consider Satan (and similar beings) to be just another mythical entity, and no more believe in him than, for instance, a Christian believes in the devils of other religions. Also, many atheists devote a lot of their time to doing good in the world - recognising that there is no help "from above", it is up to humans to solve our own problems.
Positive, negative or agnostic?
Atheists do not always assert that God does not exist. There are two broad categories of atheism -

"Positive" (or "strong" or "hard") atheism and "Negative" (or "weak" or "soft") atheism.

A "Positive atheist" will say "God X does not exist", whereas a "Negative atheist" will say "I do not believe God X exists" - there is a subtle but important difference.

Some (if not all) agnostics may also be considered "negative atheists", as they are not theists (there is an overlap between agnosticism and weak atheism). Agnostics (it means "without knowledge") consider the question of God to be unanswerable - there may be a God, or there may not, but we have no way of ever determining the truth of the matter. Occasionally atheists will refer to themselves as agnostics - the term is often more socially acceptable in a strongly religious region, as some theists have an extremely negative view of atheism and automatically assume that all atheists are "positive" atheists.

Depending on the definition of the God in question, the atheist may be either "positive", "negative" or agnostic. Many theists will also have the same reaction towards the deities of other religions. For example, if you give a self-contradictory definition of your God, I will say that it certainly does not exist (like a square circle), but if some group on the other side of the world has a God that I have never even heard of, I am still atheistic towards it as I simply have no belief in it. In that sense, many Christians are also atheists - they just believe in one more God than I do.

thank you to atheist agnostic and humanist site
 
Yeah, I know all that, I was just wondering what people thought about the quote;true, false, whatever.
 
Enigma'07 said:
" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning

Is that atheism? I do not think so, those people are hypocrites.
 
yes, but the hypocrites are causeing people to say what's so good about your religion, I act better than you, so therefore, why bother with reiligion.they are causing people to remain atheists.
 
Enigma'07 said:
" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning

Comments?

To be an atheist because of the actions of "Christians" ("hypocrites" as Dreamwalker referred them) is not based on any logic that I know. Example: Should I stop believing there is a place called Hawaii because the Hawaiians I met do not act like "Hawaiians"? Think about it.
 
Enigma'07 said:
" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning

Comments?


In my personal case, that assertion is obviously false. You see, I don't give a damm about the Christians' lifestyle. I just don't buy the concept of a conscious entity that judges the behaviour of every creature in the universe, that's all. So sue me.

Maybe for atheists in the USA, the Christians antics do play a role in their repulsion, but bear in mind that the rest of the world (or Europe, at least) is pretty much free from the religious freaks that folks over there have to deal with on a daily basis. But if I had to suffer them, it wouldn't make me more of an atheist, just an anti-Christian as well.
 
Yeah, if you become religious because 'the people are nice'... then you really aren't doing it for the right reasons... are you?

It's just coincidental that there doesn't seem to be any other right reason either.

Cults with hypocrites just have a harder time of recruiting.
 
" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
Very much a false statement, the greatest cause of atheism is religion, in that it contradicts with science and indeed itself at times.
 
Enigma,

" The single greatest cause of atheism in the world today is Christians who acknowledge Jesus with their lips, then walk out the door and deny Him by their lifestyle. That is what an unbelieving world simply finds unbelievable."
-Brennan Manning
I don’t think this is a cause of atheism but that these people were never “real” Christians in the first place.

In the USA when people are asked whether they believe in God the majority (85% approx) will say yes. How many of these people have actually considered the issues closely or just believe what is traditional? I suspect the majority takes the latter approach, i.e. there are actually very few fundamentalist theists. The majority will visit a church for weddings, funerals, and christenings and ignore the de facto “official” American religion for most of their life and lifestyle.

So is this majority really atheistic? Clearly not since they think there is a god and will become agitated if anyone threatens their traditional views. An atheist in contrast lacks that theistic belief.

So the sentiment in the opening post is certainly not true. Now if this complacent majority could be more appropriately educated regarding the facts of theistic belief, or rather the lack of facts, then perhaps they might change their minds. But even then it takes courage to go against majority traditional perspectives, whether they are true or not.

What the Fundamentalist Christians find so irritating is that while statistics show Christians are in the majority very few maintain so-called Christian lifestyles. The most likely reason seems to be that the majority do not see Christian values as worthwhile. Or rather a neutral rational secular lifestyle incorporates the basic aspects of apparent Christian morality without the emotional discomfort of supernatural gibberish.

Kat
 
Lemming3k said:
Very much a false statement, the greatest cause of atheism is religion, in that it contradicts with science and indeed itself at times.

How many people really know science enough to stop believing in their childhood conditioning?

There isn't a single cause but I find lazyness to be a great cause. Face it....Chruch sermons are boring 99% of the time, its inconvenient, it restricts wanted lifestyle...

Desire is really the greatest cause of athiesm. To quote a conversation I had

"it isn't the religions fault, the followers screw it up. One can not hide his/her intrinsic primal desires behind a visage of civility ruled by an institution which was created primalrily to instill fear"

God is only cool as long as he does not get in the way, or only followed as long as his fear is prevalent in the followers head.

It isn't hypocrisy, it isn't science, it is our own needs and wants fighting against a hopelessly aging institution.
 
Atheists are Satanists.

29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
 
sargentlard said:
How many people really know science enough to stop believing in their childhood conditioning?

There isn't a single cause but I find lazyness to be a great cause. Face it....Chruch sermons are boring 99% of the time, its inconvenient, it restricts wanted lifestyle...

Desire is really the greatest cause of athiesm. To quote a conversation I had

"it isn't the religions fault, the followers screw it up. One can not hide his/her intrinsic primal desires behind a visage of civility ruled by an institution which was created primalrily to instill fear"

God is only cool as long as he does not get in the way, or only followed as long as his fear is prevalent in the followers head.

It isn't hypocrisy, it isn't science, it is our own needs and wants fighting against a hopelessly aging institution.

Most Church sermons are boring and I would be a liar to claim otherwise. :D

The "institution's" age, in the case of Christianity, in no way reflects/detracts from it's validity and superiority.

You shouldn't drink, smoke, party all night, have sex before marriage.. instead stay home and read your Bible, pray pray pray, live a righteous lifestyle, don't cuss, be humble...

In other words, do not be an animal just because you can. And of course, works don't save. We are called to be slaves of God and nothing else will suffice but the bloof of the Lamb.
 
§outh§tar said:
In other words, do not be an animal just because you can.

True enough but still. Religion calls too much of a man.

We are called to be slaves of God and nothing else will suffice but the bloof of the Lamb.

If the man himself sounds unreasobale then why follow him?

You shouldn't drink, smoke, party all night, have sex before marriage.. instead stay home and read your Bible, pray pray pray, live a righteous lifestyle, don't cuss, be humble...

I should also cut off my balls and put them in a jar. This is why religion is out of date. In an age of reason and knowledge we keep denying our intrinsic desires to be free. How long does one do it before desperatiuon turns to frustration and frustration to negative action.

Its funny because I keep talking about religion like its a higher state of existence, guiding us. We created it and now it keeps holding humanity back through its few idiotic followers who we keep giving the power to.
 
sargentlard said:
True enough but still. Religion calls too much of a man.

Considering the things in life man subjects himself to without religion..

If the man himself sounds unreasobale then why follow him?
I don't understand this.. could you explain?


I should also cut off my balls and put them in a jar. This is why religion is out of date. In an age of reason and knowledge we keep denying our intrinsic desires to be free. How long does one do it before desperatiuon turns to frustration and frustration to negative action.

It's been ten thousand years and we're still doing fine. Monks and nuns haven't shot themselves from envying the lifestyles of American rockstars or whatever.

Its funny because I keep talking about religion like its a higher state of existence, guiding us. We created it and now it keeps holding humanity back through its few idiotic followers who we keep giving the power to.

They are actually the majority.. but some are misguided for they reject the risen Christ.
 
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§outh§tar said:
Atheists are Satanists.

29"Or again, how can anyone enter a strong man's house and carry off his possessions unless he first ties up the strong man? Then he can rob his house.
30"He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters.
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M*W: Man, are you one ignorant son of a bitch!
 
§outh§tar said:
Why do you continue to verbally assault me? You are a Satanist.
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M*W: Can you hear yourself? Do you have any idea of how you make yourself look? You're an embarassment to Christianity! For a brief moment there I was almost feeling pity for Christianity having a nut wad like you! fidei defensor my ass! You're too stupid to realize that you are doing more good for my cause than for your own.
 
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