Atheism is a belief.

I know how to use a dictionary.

  • Yes, and I incorporate its info.

    Votes: 28 57.1%

  • Yes, but I still like to make up definitions as I go along.

    Votes: 10 20.4%

  • No, I believe in "Truthiness"

    Votes: 17 34.7%
  • Total voters
    49
buckybeam said:
much of science is predictions (ok im forgetting the philisophical bits for now) but it is predictions. take black holes, in reality we have no proof. does that mean they dont exist. when first thought of there was zero data on black holes. yet we thought that they existed. everything we know as proof about them is a preditction on how things would behave around them. i beleive they exist. i have no proof. i suppose that makes me unscientific? i suppose that means i also believe in fairies and unicorns?
some people did think that believing in black holes was like believing fairies and unicorns. are you a non believer? i guess that you would be because "we have no proof"
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Black holes were predicted as derivatives of General Relativity. Many candidates for black holes have been found in which their effects match the predictions. Nothing to do with beliefs or fairies or unicorns.

So, the invisible and undetectable are not believed as truths throughout science.
 
(Q) said:
Black holes were predicted as derivatives of General Relativity. Many candidates for black holes have been found in which their effects match the predictions. Nothing to do with beliefs or fairies or unicorns.

So, the invisible and undetectable are not believed as truths throughout science.
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show me one. show me proof.
 
buckybeam said:
i am not wrong you are wrong.

as far as im aware stamp collections have nothing to do with predictions let alone how the universe was created so it is a terrible analogy.
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It was about belief. Atheism is not a belief position. That is what you got wrong. Simply you don't understand the terms of debate.
 
phlogistician said:
It was about belief. Atheism is not a belief position. That is what you got wrong. Simply you don't understand the terms of debate.
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this is a debate?

i thought it was a discussion forum....

am i in the wrong place?

so you dont believe in mom?

i believe in black holes, even though ill never see one and i beleive in the big bang even though ill never see that either.
 
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phlogistician said:
Are you really that simple? That is the point. Atheism is not an active position, like not stamp collecting is not an active position. DUH!
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thats is unless i create a non stamp collecting club. then we would be active.

AA is an active group devoted to not drinking.
 
buckybeam said:
thats is unless i create a non stamp collecting club. then we would be active.
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Doing that would not affect other non-stamp collectors who had not joined your club. People in your club would have club membership as common ground, rather than non-stamp collecting, btw.

AA is an active group devoted to not drinking.
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Rather it's a club for alcoholics. Not drinking doesn't stop them from being alcoholics, that is their common ground.
 
phlogistician said:
Rather it's a club for alcoholics. Not drinking doesn't stop them from being alcoholics, that is their common ground.
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for some reason no matter how i read your statement, i cannot come up with how it argues my original statement. so you think AA has nothing to do with not having a drink?
 
phlogistician said:
Doing that would not affect other non-stamp collectors who had not joined your club. People in your club would have club membership as common ground, rather than non-stamp collecting, btw.
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so your point is that people that are atheists must somehow affect those that are not otherwise their only common ground is that they are a group.
 
buckybeam said:
well ive never seen a god but, ive observed the effects of a god on people. good and bad.
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And you're quite sure the results of the actions of those people were in fact the effects of a god?

Please explain how you know? There is a Nobel Prize waiting for you.
 
look i am willing to end "our" discussion within this thread simply because we will just continue back and forth, we will never agree.

simply put. there are those that believe in atheism and there are those that are 100% sure that atheism is, no belief is necessary. the same applies to theism. some can claim no belief or faith needed, it simply is.

i would think that either way, to be so sure of ones self to not contemplate another possibility is foolhardy. at the same time i would not discriminate against those that are.

also the term believe does have multiple meanings. because one might say "i believe" does not mean that "they" feel another possibility exists.

but on the flip side my "belief" is that all things are possible given the right circumstances. i only have my senses to observe and my brain to interpret. everything else is a crap shoot.

i could be wrong.
 
buckybeam said:
i believe in black holes, even though ill never see one and i beleive in the big bang even though ill never see that either.
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No one will ever "see" those phenomenon.

Using that VERY fallacious argument to support your beliefs is false.

Don't make ridiculous statements about science when you don't know what you're talking about.
 
buckybeam said:
look i am willing to end "our" discussion within this thread simply because we will just continue back and forth, we will never agree.

i could be wrong.
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buckybeam said:
well ive never seen a god but, ive observed the effects of a god on people. good and bad.
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So, are you saying we won't be seeing your extraordinary explanation and time soon?

Because, maybe you are wrong?
 
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