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It's time to start talking reality about America's new war. We have been lolled into the same unanimous guilt trip for too long. We are now being told by our leaders and the media that we do not deserve information about what is going on and all we get from our news organizations is repetitious fear and hysteria programming that has prompted some of us to buy gas masks, and plea with our doctors for prescriptions for Ciprio.

It's time to pay attention and not fear anymore.

We have been playing with niceties out of fear and reprisal. We have been told that it is wrong to question the decisions of our leaders because of peer pressure and now the gloves come off as we are about to combat the negative thought forms and inform you the listener about what may really be going on behind the scenes.

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How the war may be fought.

With winter quickly aproaching in Afghanistan fighting will become slower, and probably harder. The US and N. Alliance will have to capture Kabul, the capital within a week, two at the most. Airstrikes against the Taliban will allow the N.A. to go a bit further south and get the capital. When the winter sets in the helicopter attacks, which will be starting soon will expand. The copters mainly US, and possibly a few UK will be deployed from Pakistan and aircraft carriers, as well as hopping from various countries in Central Asia. The copters will strike convoys, bunkers, and other holdouts for the Taliban.

Pashtuin tribes in the south, aided by BlackOps will capture Kandahar. From there, airfields near the Iranian border will be used as quick staging areas into central Afghanistan. When the winter slow down begins, the War Hawks may get their chance to strike wide.

I honestly believe that Iraq will be next, eventhough the administration denies it. Though Hussein is a secular dictator, and Osama religious, they both have huge hatred for the United States and mideast regimes. My enemies, enemie is my friend, type of thing. I believe there are ties, and we should eliminate Hussein before he gets a nuke. If he winds up with a H-bomb then we're in big trouble, when he rattles a nuclear saber at Israel or another country, like Kuwait. Iran may get off the hook, Syria could be # 2, but more likely terrorist groups in Indonesia, Malaysia, and the Philippines will be the targets of future covert and overt actions.

By spring 2002, the Taliban should be finished. If the Northern Alliance is somehow wiped out, which is unlikely, American, UK, and I do believe even Russian troops would be in there. The war against the Taliban won't last long, they'll be finished within a year at the most. Bin Laden will be found eventually, one day he'll screw up, and that day we'll be lucky.
 
thecurly1,

Thanks for sharing your views. Enjoyed reading your thoughts.

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When the time comes, the UN may take on the responsibility of setting up a new government in Afghanistan; for now at least George W. encourages them to do so. I'm not clear on how it would be to America's advantage to hang around for long after the Afghanistan "project" is...completed. I'm interested in hearing opinions on this.

Saddam has long been a concern for several reasons. Saudi Arabia, in general, poses several dilemmas. Tough ones.

How best to make a serious, permanent, crippling dent in al Qaeda's network; forward the so-called 'peace process;' resolve numerous other grievances held against the West; and bring the entire world up out of the dark ages?

How would any of you save the world?


Regards,


Counterbalance
 
Chuckles ...

"The course of this conflict is not known; yet its outcome is certain. And we know that God is not neutral." - George Bush

"This is an amazing assertion. When I think about the real or imagined parties involved in that bizarre holy war that is about to begin, I find it difficult to make a distinction about where the fanaticism is stronger." - Fidel Castro (on the subject of Bush's quote)

From: The South African Daily Mail & Guardian
 
I wonder if we are fighting the terrorist war like we are fighting the drug war... criminalize everything, if anyone is suspected, put them in jail indefinitely and take away their property. BTW, if your name ends with Ahmed, your money in the bank is frozen first, questions later. Does that mean, terrorists now will have Christian names along with hair cut and deodorant?

Since we won the drug war, we should be able to win the terrorist war. I guaranteeee it....
 
Chagur,

Let us hope that all religious fanatics fail in bringing about a 'holy war' --now and forever.

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kmguru,

I think it's appropriate to be watchful; to try to avoid the loss of certain rights, and especially for those who are innocent. However, I think your assertions are misleading.

Innocent until proven guilty--on both sides?

Just a thought...


Counterbalance
 
thecurly1,

The Taliban will find themselves trapped in those Afghan mountains and isolated, starved and slowly eliminated. Their days are numbered. Without any outside support from a major player, they are doomed. Also, those copters will be flying from bases within Afghanistan before too long.
 
Thanks Boswer, for the info that is.

I don't think this will turn into the War on Drugs, the latter stages of the War on Terrorism will be something akin to the cold war. Very secret, kind of dark. But that worked in helping to keep relitive stability and destroy the USSR.
 
thecurly1 ...

I believe it is the emblem for a British Intelligence Unit: M(ilitary) I(ntelligence) 5
 
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And now to address the indiferrence of perception as to this war being about a war on Terrorists (which is clearly evident) and yet a war on Drugs, which has been going on as early as the 1870's and continues to infect the levels of our most sacred and highest forms of administration. I conclude with looking at the bigger picture, it appears to seamlessly be well integrated, thus we cannot disallow the evident & most obviuos, the more dubious the leaders who would rather hear about your bones being picked out of a desert than to allow any discussion of their own involvement!

Confused? read the following.
Although I must advise you that abeit lengthly as it is, it is necessary to convey the information to gain a more educated asessment of the sophisticated processes that lead to this madness. (Reader Be Warned!)

From: cherokee@h...
Date: Fri Oct 19, 2001 6:14 pm
Subject: Re: [APFN] Fwd: WTC FRAME-UP PSY-OP CASE SOLVED
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BE PREPARED FOR A BIG BRAIN CRAMP....cherokee

American Patriot Friends Network wrote:
>
> Here is how the WTC/Pentagon crash bombing operation came...
> http://disc.server.com/discussion.cgi?id=149495&article=10401
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> - W H O A N D W H Y -- w. ample evidence assembled
> Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:45:16 -0700
> From: "Dick Eastman" <eastman@w...>
> To: <editor@v...>
>
> Here is how the WTC/Pentagon crashbombing operation came,
> about,with strong documentary evidence available supporting every
> step of this scenario. I am willing to field all questions discussants
> can devise to test this solution.
> =====================
>
> Mossad and the CIA were dealing Afgan-opium-derived "China-
> white" heroin or at least were devoting effort to protect the
> supply sources of the multi-trillion-dollar money-laundered
> deposits backing the global investments of American
> and Britsih merchant banks. The Afgan Northern Alliance
> druglords grow 80 to 90 percent of the worlds opium, the
> prime ingredient of heroin, which is then moved over the small
> China-Afgan boarder for processing and distribution by the
> giant People's Liberation Army - Triad transnational corporation-
> drug cartel-and military instrument. Against this giant network
> the religious Taliban had been erradicating Afgan opium production,
> supressing production and profits for druglords, bankers and
> globalization capitalists alike.
>
> Thus this became the initial motivation of a renegade group of CIA
> and/or Mossad having an interest in defeating Taliban.
> (Nothing absurd so far, right?)
>
> Next, the Russian and Kazakh mafias have ties with U.S. executive
> James Giffen in Kazakhstan -- a man under investigation by
> a New York grand jury in the months before September 11
> for illegal involvement in an oil swaps between Kazakhstan
> and sanctioned Iran (read the Aug. 9 New Yorker Magazine
> for a full account of this by Seymore Hershe -- I have already
> presented long excerpts of this in past posts) -- and all of the
> evidence for this crime was being kept on the 20th through
> 25th floor of one of the WTC towers where the FBI had its
> New York Offices. And James Giffen is the man anyone has
> to go through to get any oil agreement with Kazakhstan --
> including any pipelines built that would traverse Afganistan.
> (There is $6 trillion dollars worth of oil and gas in Central Asia.)
> Giffen certainly understood -- if he did not originate the idea --
> that if he couldcan get operatives (even "captured" vengeful Islamic
> activists whose rage could be shaped and directed to use of terror)
> to destroy the FBI offices in the WTC building and the documentation
> evidence it contained, then he would be escape grand jury indictment
> -- and, as an powerful added benefit, the (framed) Taliban would get
> replaced with a regime in Afganistan that would permit a pipeline to
> be
> built -- preferably a Northern Alliance druglord government that would
> harmonize with Giffen's own unethical (murderous) entrepreneural
> style.
> (See the New Yorker artlical for details of Giffen's history.)
>
> (So far this super-crime scheme involves only a small group of
> people--
> Russian Mafia and perhaps a Giffen - renegade CIA or a Giffen
> "dark-side" Mossad link. But other, even more powerful players
> may have had involvement -- certainly they stood to gain
> tremendously if the crashbomb frame-up were successfully accomplished.
> (Prior to September 11 charges had been brought against
> Alan Greenspan (forgive me -- in a previous post I said "Milton
> Friedman"
> instead of Greenspan -- Friedman is a great and honest and honorable
> academic scholar and Nobel Prize winner -- who, very superficially,
> looks like Greenspan)
> -- at any rate, Alan Greenspan, Goldman Sachs, Morgan & Co. and other
> powerful American financial figures and instiutions had charges
> brought
> against them -- reportedly a very well-documented case --over the
> fixing
> of gold prices -- with evidence for that case too stored by the FBI
> on the FBI floors of the WTC! These parties would not only profit
> heavily from the "carrot" of both oil and drug monies circulating
> through
> thier great
> financial instiutions, but they also would gain from avoding the
> "stick"
> of one of the most threatening lawsuits ever to confront the U.S.
> financial
> establishment (realize what a guilty verdict in this case would mean
> to
> these leading financial families and to the Establishment in general!)
> --
> these parties would welcome predictable and certainly substantial
> benefits from the the destruction of the evidence in the WTC
> and of some of the witnesses and researchers on the case as well.)
>
> Notice that so far we have powerful men with powerful incentives
> who characteristically operate in secret and under the protection
> of wealth, status and power -- both the carrot ($2 trillion in annual
> drug revenues funneled through the banking system -- which has
> funded much of the proceeds to fund the development of the
> Princeling-Triad dictatorship in China, btw, -- (The communist
> government
> has been in the opium business since the 1930's -- Mao pioneered the
> model later followed by Peru's Shining Path and Colombia's Maoist
> F.A.R.C. narco-terrorists. And Zhou Enlai devised the plan in the
> 1950's
> of weakening American society through a drug invasion.)
>
> "China white" heroin distributed by the People's Liberation Army,
> made from Afgan opium links all banker and oilman to the corrupt
> and renegade the secret state agencies, CIA, FBI, and Mossad
> -- renegade agents of either agency may have seen this opportunity
> for mutual gain and found the way -- having profiles of each of the
> players -- to propose the crashbombing frame-up as the best "solution"
> to each of players most troublesome problems, while making enormous
> profits besides.
>
> Note that the Bush's are tied to both the CIA and oil and, through
> Mena Arkansas drug smuggling and through the Iran-Contra
> drugs and arms deals etc. (drugworld investigator Daniel Hopsicker,
> as well as Noam Chomsky and many others have exposed this
> thoroughly -- at least in the broad strokes necessary to support
> this reconstruction of the crime.)
>
> (The facts of the drug connections are known to everyone from
> the Russians, to the John Birchers, to Wired Magazine, Harpers,
> New Yorker, the Village Voice, the Nation, and Rolling Stone
> Magazine, all having explored the drug - Establishment connections
> in great detail.)
>
> Which brings us to Ariel Sharon. His hard-head policy of
> retaliation regardless of collateral damage and his provocation
> at the mosque cost him dearly in world opinion. In fact the
> Bush administration was very close to making initiating a major
> policy shift -- obviously known to Sharon from the greatest
> intelligence
> organization in the world -- Bush was planning the the
> recognition/sponsorhip of a seperate Palestinian state. (Also
> war crime charges had been brought against Sharon in international
> court, further putting his hard-line policy against the Palestinians
> in unfavorable light.
>
> Mindful of Ariel Sharon's self-made hard spot, it is entirely
> possible that the same CIA or Mossad mastermind that thought of
> the crashbombing frame-up plan in the first place decided to take
> the risk of telling Sharon about the plan, offering it as a solution
> to the trapped old "freedom fighter's" problems as well. If the
> U.S. could be made to think that the hated Osama bin Laden --
> that Islamic fundametnalism itself -- is responsible for destroying
> twin towers of the WTC and the American government itself,
> then, Sharon would certainly grasp, American opinion woudl
> radically swing to an extremely hard line against all Moslem
> and Arab entities not securely under their thumb, and most
> particularly, from Sharon's viewpoint, against Palestinians.
>
> No profile of Sharon gives any indication that he would not
> close on such a deal, such a serving of his higher good, his
> prime directive.
>
> And that is all that was needed to carry off this operation.
>
> The getting and conditioning/deceiving of hijackers is an easy affair.
> Mossad has infiltrated bin Ladin's forces in Central Asia and the
> Mideast
> -- but it is a radically decentralized organization (as it must be to
> remain viable)
> and so it was an easy matter for this "dark-side" Mossad, with
> Sharon's
> clandestine approval, to trick some very angry and vengeful Arabs into
> thinking they were doing bin Ladens or some other anti-Zionist or
> anti-
> Globalization radicals to agree to hijack the four planes. Millions in
> the
> world hated the America and the globalization that the World Trade
> Center
> represents. These recruited hijackers need not have been Arabs --
> there
> are Croats, Serbs, Latin Americans, and Iranians and any number
> of other victim-pool people who could have volunteered to conduct
> the hijacking -- possibly without fully understanding the end result
> of
> the mission -- they need not have "signed on" for a suicide bombing.
> (Many aviation experts on the net are describing a system built
> into commercial airliners for taking over control of flight from the
> ground, a system developed to combat terrorism. It is possible
> that the course of the plane's flight was taken over by this system
> installed to thwart hijackers (detailed in several reports
> on the web.) But if the crashes were not effected in this way,
> psychological-control methods, wholly sufficient for the job, were
> also available. The technology of behavoir control is further
> advanced than the popular press has made people aware.
> Skilled psy op agents can get subjects angry enough and
> convinced enough of the justice and good effects of "acts'
> represented as serving their 'cause" to be willing to undertake
> even suicidal missions. (Activist Alan Yu has researched this
> technology as have other researchers from a broad spectrum
> of political orientation.)
>
> And this is all that is needed to conduct the terror act.
>
> But then what?
>
> When the crashes take place -- word merely has to be
> put out by those involved (the CIA, Mossad, Sharon
> and those complicit in the Bush Administration,
> (based on his behavior, my money is on Paul Wolfowitz)
> to push the theme that bin Ladin was responsible and that
> this aggressive war to overthrow the Taliban is the only
> immediate appropriate reaction -- since, the spin goes,
> the Afgans are responsible for "harboring" bin Laden and
> that "harboring is exactly the same as terrorism" and that
> for that reason the entire Afgan government must be
> terminated (must be "ended as a state" to use Wolfowitz's
> revealing phrasing of September 12.)
>
> The frame-up has all sorts of collateral benefits for the
> perpetrators. Now the perpetrators can tell the unsuspecting
> that bin Ladin's guilt has been established beyond doubt --
> that for the sake of the security and safety of Israel and
> the United States that it is necessary that the impression of
> an "open and shut case" must be spun. (The news media
> is exhorted to be patriotic and exemplary "wartime correspondents"
> and sets about selling the blaming of bin Ladin and advocating
> war and overthrow in Afganistan -- because they have been
> deceitfully led to believe they really know who bombed the
> buildings; and among the elite of the news publishers,
> they "know" it is in the best interests of Israel and Wall Street
> that this be the response, that this be the spin.
>
> And Mr. Bush and Mr. Blair each benefit enormously, politically.
>
> And trillions of dollars are enough to subdue and supress
> criticism of the investigation -- after all, who would know better
> than
> the CIA and Mossad exactly who is responsible? (The fact has
> been reported -- in a different context, of course -- that the U.S.
> intelligence receives all of its ground intelligence from Central Asia
> through Mossad's network of infiltrator spies -- in other words,
> whatever "proofs" the U.S. has (and has shown Tony Blair and NATO)
> has come exclusively through Sharon via Mossad. The "evidence"
> so-called, thus, is no counterweight to this reconstruction of the
> crime.
> The "evidence" comes exclusively from the prime "frame-up" suspect.
>
> Has Mossad done this kind of thing before? Remember
> the USS Liberty, an American ship with flag flying,
> deliberatly attacked and sunk (in multiple attack waves)
> with efforts to kill every saior abord -- either to destroy
> information that the ship may have intercepted or to
> frame Arab states to gain the support of American
> public opinion. (There are other cases involving the
> blowing up of a disco dance nightclub, again to frame
> targeted enemies -- a case actually brought to light
> by the non-renegade "good side" Mossad.
>
> The coverup apparently has unlimited resources. Two
> Mossad men caught red handed days after the WTC
> crashbombings, were carryhing explosive charges and
> detonation controls in the government chambers of the
> Mexican legislature? Apparently big bribes have been,
> because these men have been set free.
>
> One surmises that appeals are made to the bodey man
> of a "destabalizing international crisis" is the truth were
> to get out. This is ancient cloak of deviant ruling elites.
>
> How many readers -- even if they strongly suspect that
> this reconstruction fits the facts -- would not deny the
> conclusion anyway because of fear of what this fact would
> do to Israel's reputation and thus to her security and survival?
>
> Yet this view may be wrong. If Israeli's on the "good side"
> were to arrest Sharon and chase down the renegades of
> the Mossad "dark side" and bring them to justice --
> tensions in the Mideast would dissolve, and good-faith
> restored -- good faith that will never return to the world
> as long as the greatest terror frame-up in history is not
> corrected by justice and the truth.
>
> Also, if this reconstruction is valid, then that certainly
> raises the liklihood that Ariel Sharon was also the
> man who gave the order for the murder of Yhitzak Rabin.
> Israel's greatest peacmaker (if that title does not go to
> Began for his treaty with Sadat.)
>
> Conviction of Sharon would mean that the warmongering
> "take-no-prisoners" school of Zionism would at last be
> discredited and that the humanitarian way of Rabin
> could again be given another chance -- with
> the Palestinians gaining restored faith in Israel to be
> fair and just after seeing Sharon removed and brought
> to justice.
>
> I know that at this point you are poised to throw the
> usual tomatoes and call me a "loon" and a "nazi" -- but
> I know that those who call me those names are themselves
> fearful that this analysis may be right.. (ANd I forgive
> you in advance for having to through those tomatoes
> out of loyalty and not knowing what else to do in your
> uncertainty.)
>
> It is a rotten world all around -- but my advice is
> to seek the truth wherever it leads and then to enforce
> justice -- justice against the real authors of the Sept 11 terror,
> whoever they may be -- to go after Sharon just as strenuously
> as you were recently ready to hunt down bin Laden.
>
> And of course, the United States has a similar house cleaning
> of its topmost shelves of power and influence -- a job that we
> have been putting off since the 1870's. (How the entire world will
> benefit from that job!)
>
> (And I should make this clearer: The media are not silent because
> they are conmplicit in the terror -- they are silent because they
> are "yes men" who "know where their bread is buttered" and they
> are not about to jump up and say "Sharon did it" until they see
> others in their postions doing so. This is consitent with today's
> "Dilbert" world of Establishment-monopolized organizations.
> Only an earth shaking event, like the exposing of the Establishment's
> role in the WTC terror, will shake down this system.)
>
> Now, let's discuss this intelligently.
>
> Dick Eastman - eastman@w...
> Yakima, Washington
> Every man is responsible toevery other man.
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That's an amazing theory--to be sure!!

I confess I haven't read every single post from the beginning of this thread, most though not all, yet I wonder... Is it so highly implausible that religious fanaticism, mixed with hatred, irrationality and plain ol' insanity are the true and sole culprits behind the WTC, Pentagon, and PA plane tragedies?

Must there always be a grand conspiracy theory?

I can't dispute the evidence proffered and don't have time to check it all out. "China White" may well be involved with this. Wouldn't rule it out. I do however appreciate that so many links were provided in order that anyone can look into this more deeply.

Still...that's quite a remarkable assertion.

I guess we'll have to wait and see.
 
I don't feel like participating in a debate with the conspiracy theorists, because usually they are so damn stubborn to accept a reasonable clause for the attack that they dodge every substancial fact with some weird ass scheme.

If they wanted to build a pipeline through Afghanistan, don't you think the Taliban would have been ousted much easier, with out a grand war, or even paid to keep quiet. Remember we are talking about the "all powerful Bilderburgs". Its a stupid idea for a secret society to instagate a super overt war.

We make these conspiracies to try to control an event or situation which we cannot control. This way it gives us a false sense of security and understanding of something that can't be understood by simple logic.

"Those our my principals. If you don't like them, I have others", Groucho Marx, 1890-1977
 
Sorry for the misunderstanding Counter_balance. All I am pointing out is to look at the big picture: Drugs, Oil, & Economic domination.

Heard on the street: Even God has a big picture. God gave oil to some people so that, they will help their fellow men. Instead, these oil rich countries abusing their gift...

Chaos is everywhere.....:D
 
No conspiracy here

This event has been waiting in the wings for a long time. There is no conspiracy. Their are plenty of people out there that hate America enough to perpetrate this crime, no need for mind control or nudging them on. They have been trying to hurt America in any way they could for years.

If you try hard enough there's a conspiracy in everything. Try that hard to believe this for what it is. An attack against what we believe in by a hostile terrorist group.
 
Yep. A conspiracy so large would not stay hidden for very long. I will concede, nonrtheless, that nations have been manipulated many times in our past history, and that men of power have brought great evil upon millions for nothing more than the petty pursuit of profit.

Anyway, I think this is the work of terrorism, and I support the effort to extinquish the fire that burns there. That is not to say that currrent events are not being exploited. I see the billions of American dollars which are now being shoveled out since 911. Watching the money flow is of great interest.
 
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So am I too understand that due to the complexities of conspiracies within our political & economic infrastructures, that most of the sheepole are willing to lay down & die, sacrifice their constitutional rights under a democratic-republican, or socialistic society to those who would impose, impede, or threaten them by Illegal means of Inimante domain a such? If you as a “Free Society” so to speak do not believe that you are being fooled by the biggest scam of the century, than can only I feel pity for those who.

Just one more thing to add levity to this statement, I suggest you carefully review the following article below & search for the meaning on your own, we all have our own perceptions on world views and issues, but it’s the weak & misunderstood minds that continue to fall victim to such conundrums, and I feel that it is my patriotic duty to be a voice in your midst to call out to those who are sharper knives in the drawer to realize that it don’t take a rocket scientist to understand what lies in front of your face before you, and that it don’t necessarily meant that those who are willing to accept the truth are a few fries short of a happy meal.

Energy Independence Now!
We Need A New Energy Revolution
http://www.sfgate.com/technology/beat
Hal Plotkin, Special to SF Gate Thursday, October 4, 2001

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Amid this week's latest batch of unbearably sad stories about the victims of the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, one of the most important stories is the one we haven't read.

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