i get the impression mr A, tho i might be wrong. that i am somehow anti-science. but i am not. i get a hrill out of seeing Hubble Space photies like proabably you do. but you see, and i honestly am not braggin. you are free to do tis yourself, like i am free to llok at space thru a hubble telescope(?)---so dont say eyes cumin on like aholoy dude who claimes to know and you dont game..........yo aint seen the universe after imbibing a psychedelic sacrament ...have you?
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Actually d, I was merely just addressing your previous comment. As to that latter regarding:
.... duendy, do you honestly think for one second you're really the only person in these forums who's ever dropped acid, puffed a spliff or did a pot of mushies - seriously? I mean, dear God - what age group is it y'think your talking too here? That's just... hysterical.
Sorry, but it is. Really.
Dear, I wish we had some better smiles around here.... Priceless!
duendy said:
.... duendy, do you honestly think for one second you're really the only person in these forums who's ever dropped acid, puffed a spliff or did a pot of mushies - seriously? I mean, dear God - what age group is it y'think your talking too here? That's just... hysterical. Sorry, but it is. Really.
Dear, I wish we had some better smiles around here.... Priceless!
No, sorry, your incredulity, doesn't wash wid me. i have found out by confession and using savy that quite a lot of people at tese boards dont seem to be 'experienced'----in fact i am also in pm contact wit a member who seems very ANTI psychedelics etc. so no need to go all like that with me. i just asked you.Mr Anonymous said:Actually d, I was merely just addressing your previous comment. As to that latter regarding:
Sorry, but it is. Really.
Dear, I wish we had some better smiles around here.... Priceless!
ALSO, i have found te ones who do admit to having had psychedelic experence here, seem to underestimate the experiences as being nothin more that yet more materialistic goings on
but thePOINT i was making issss. i can accomadate scientific knowledge, but also experiential insight as gotten from psychedelic experience and other deep experiences. whilst i VERY much notice the materialist advocates seem not able to. how their knickers get in knots at the mere mention of anything their microscopes and/or telescopes cantt see, or they cant measure.
so...Mr A. what was you LAST Tryp liketen? qhat was it? how long ago? what insights did you receive?
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Mr Anonymous
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That it's your brain that does all the actually interesting stuff, the substance, whatever it may be, only ever coaxes your mind into thinking a certain way - it doesn't provide the actual thoughts itself, just shows you your mind can work these ways do these kinds of things.duendy said:
Once you realise that you realise equally you don't need the substance - just your mind.
The rest is non of your damn business.
Yes. He did kind of didn't he. That's possibly where half the problem lies...Silas said:
)()( ())) *((((pp((*Mr Anonymous said:That it's your brain that does all the actually interesting stuff, the substance, whatever it may be, only ever coaxes your mind into thinking a certain way - it doesn't provide the actual thoughts itself, just shows you your mind can work these ways do these kinds of things.
me))great insight. ie., as in 'trigger' and as Stanislv Grof terms LSD as a 'non-specific catalyst'
Once you realise that you realise equally you don't need the substance - just your mind.
me)))))ahhhhaaaaa a 'hang the phone up once you've got the message' attitude hey?
not so Indigenously and primally. for our ancestors thes sacraments were CONTINUALLY taken on sacred communal occasions. itis a Eastern influenced Western idea that one shoul take em and then go meditate to achieve 'similar state' etc. Ram Dass for instance had that attitude. think he has changed his mind since
The rest is non of your damn business.
me))))))how veeeery daaaaAAARE yu!
Yes. He did kind of didn't he. That's possibly where half the problem lies...
Einstein had to be on something. Oh, ya, time is relative!
Oh, ya, time is relative!
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Mr Anonymous
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I most certainly very do!duendy said:
And have you never noticed, those societies which allowed themselves to be governed by mystical communication with the great one-ness of the Universe, or however one wishes to term it, through such customs disappeared resolutely and completely right up Histories backside, never to be seen again...
Patently, there'd be no possible kind of lesson in any of that.
i aee. so you judge a people by how agressive they is?....so you must LOVE the grand old US of A...?Mr Anonymous said:
notme. i see it like this:
warrior culture versus psychedelic culture.
This is seen as what happened in history and continues. the warrior culture determined on self-destruct and draggin the rest of 'us' with them, including Nature!
What the hell are you talking about, c7ityi???
I once saw a small "gray one" in my room. It was really a cat. And kinda fat. It was really cute.
He's dead now.
I once saw a small "gray one" in my room. It was really a cat. And kinda fat. It was really cute.
He's dead now.
How veeeery daaaaAAARE yu!
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Mr Anonymous
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d, have to be perfectly honest, although I'm perfectly down with C7ity here and just want to actually respond - "wha?!" :bugeye:duendy said:
I'm going to settle for the following instead.
The Mayans, The Aztecs - these were cultures driven by religious autocracy who imbibed as part of their rituals peyote as well as other hallucinogenics. They perceived as part of their rituals Gods who demanded human sacrifice - not excluding children. This isn't western propaganda - the remains are archaeological record, mummies of girls not yet old enough to be yet women, skulls staved in with rocks, bodies used as altar pieces for insane, drug induced beliefs. The offering of hearts to the Heavens - neither myth nor propaganda equally. They revelled in the practice and carved the truth of the matter pictorially into rock as a point of pride.
Are you trying to tell us here these were passive, childlike innocents slaughtered without conscience by the Conquistadors - because they were, but they weren't what you'd term treehuggers or in the slightest childlike exactly either.
You seem to have this absurd, romanticised notion that drug controlled culture only defines small tribes of peoples venerating the Universe coexistent in peaceful shamanic belief - massive, murderous, civilisations grew up out of some of these exact same dalliances and bought forth carnage as well as technological innovation in disproportionate measure - they died out. The civilisations, the beliefs. Straight up Histories backside where they belonged - yet murderously nuts psudomystical belief for you is a sociological good thing, yes? A truth, a fundamental key to unlocking the Universe...
d, you were asking me how much "experience" I had earlier. More than enough to know you're chocked full of something which probably isn't blueberry muffins if you are for one second taken in by the transcendental gob-shite people bang on about concerning hallucinogenic drugs.
There's the inside of your head and there's the real world - and the two simply ain't the same monkey. The very definition of the word delusion resides in the inability of the individual to not only fail to distinguish between what they are mealy thinking and what in practice is actually transpiring but also to allow that internal landscape to take precident over ones perceptions of objective reality.
A trip's a trip d, nothing more to it. Climb aboard, enjoy the ride. Wonder why you find your shoes inside the cereal box when you come to have your breakfast the next morning. It's all part of life's rich tapestry - but keep doing that shit and you end up fried, there's no one who doesn't. Experiences are supposed to be just that d, experiences. Part of a whole shit load of other ones which in the end add up to a life.
Make a career out of them though and they're not experiences anymore - they just become the way things are. Face it d. Sitting on your backside staring at a deep field picture from Hubble, as this sojourn into the Twilight Zone originally began, is enough to blow anyone's mind clean out of its socks without dropping anything beforehand. If you can only get that buzz on from seeing a thing like that without dropping a tab first - you're not experiencing insights, your experiencing a problem.
Any chance of getting back on topic anytime soon 'cos I kind of had this whole speech prepared, there were diagrams and a coffee break planned, the wife made cake and sandwiches and everything...
A
Mr Anonymous said:
The Mayans could outlive and outlast Western 'advanced' civilization. Shamanism and it's ugly stepsister sorcery are poised to make a big comeback. It's no doubt part of a Gaiian reflex that will save the planet from complete consumerist destruction. Witness Harry Potter, and all of the television shows about the occult--buffy the vampire slayer, etc... This is the collective unconscious's spooky scream for change.
Agitprop said:
A decisive strike to the failing heart of materialism.
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Mr Anonymous
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Peculiar. I rather thought Harry Potter was a materialists cash-cow, JK Rowling's personally worth something in the region of a billion dollars US currently, and Buffy and Angel both got cancelled. Shame, I miss Angel....Agitprop said:
Actually, speaking of the Buffster - wasn't something of a recurrent theme throughout that show was, although thoroughly kick ass when it came to defeating the supernatural, she couldn't actually do dick in life, literally considering she only ever dated Vampires, until she relinquished the exclusive mantle of The Slayer by allowing all the potential Slayers in the world to become active thereby, finally, making her just one of many and able to contemplate a normal existence as a consequence.
Hardly posing as the Poster Child for "the collective unconscious's spooky scream for change" really is it, when all the principal character ever wanted to do was live the life of a regular young woman, is it?