You conveniently ignored the very first definition of the word "theory", the one which proves my assertion, in order to make it seem like you had the edge. That is intellectual dishonesty, but I suppose I couldn't have expected anything else from you.
I respected the premise of this thread, hence the definition approprate to it.
And from my links:
A set of statements or principles devised to explain a group of facts or phenomena, especially one that has been repeatedly tested or is widely accepted and can be used to make predictions about natural phenomena.
So?
I noticed no evidence to show that the theory in question had been tested, nor would a theory after the event predict it.
It was thus, clearly enough, a theory in the other sense, that of an hypothesis.
http://www.answers.com/main/ntquery?s=theory
the analysis of a set of facts in their relation to one another
http://m-w.com/dictionary/theory
Notice that I'm giving you the
very first definitions of the word. These definitions are the ones used in scientific discussion, which you are participating in. The other definitions conveying conjecture are not the proper definitions of the word in science, but is rather common parlance. Basically, you're speaking Dutch while we're speaking Latin.
Not in science. A theory is an explanation of an observed phenomenon. "Theory" and "fact" in science are like apples and oranges; you can't compare them. This is why they are not ranked in order of truth like rungs on a ladder. Theories are not more or less true than facts. They are in layman's terms, but not in science. And need I remind you that you're participating in a scientific discussion, not a casual chit-chat with your bud over a beer?
Except that I did not compare theory and fact
in science.
I compared theory and fact with regard to fact and the elimination of speculation, in the context of
Ethics, Morality, & Justice.
What is theory and what is fact depends upon the point of view.
I think it immoral to deny a person his own point of view.
h yeah, like you know everything about the scientific method. Ask any scientist, and you will find my assertion to be correct. You cannot be taken seriously if you misunderstand what you're talking about. And you really do misunderstand what you're talking about. That's not strawman; that is truth. Like I said, go read a book about the basics of science. You need it.
You can't be taken seriously if you don't know what you're talking about.
Does this mean to suppose that a so called
appearance may be deemed to be a
fact because a theory fits, with never an obligation to verify the fact per se on its own merit?
The comment would otherwise appear to be entirely impertinent.
I was talking about the premise of this thread.
Throw ad hominems back at me however much you want, but it doesn't change the fact that you refuse to understand the scientific method properly.
That is just a tired old straw man red herring, a pet one size fits every circumstance argument which unfortunately fails to illuminate the present issue.
To penetrate the market you'll need some new repertoire and a different attitude.
Why should you be taken seriously in your criticism of the scientific consensus when you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about? Tell me, why should you?
Because the customer is always right.
Or perhaps because a correct comprehension would tend to rely on such a respect.
To judge an understanding the need in the first instance is to understand it.
Nice try. You and the other nutcases have sidetracked the thread into an argument over whether you're right or scientists are. As such, you are having a scientific discussion, not a moral one. As such, I think I'll ask another mod to move the thread to a forum where it would fit in better, as I have no jurisdiction over this forum.
I refer to
morality, the theme of the thread:
Was it not the moot principle, that fact eliminates speculation while theory should not?