Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[sideshowbob]

If I think I am of superior genetic stock, to you.
It’s quite possible I may act upon it. It’s also quite possible I may not.

The Theory of Evolution says nothing about "superior genetic stock".

 

[gmilam]

It’s not what I think it says that matters.
If I think I am of superior genetic stock, to you.
It’s quite possible I may act upon it. It’s also quite possible I may not.

That's true - what you think is irrelevant. It's what the theory actually says that is important. And that is NOT what it says. This is why proper education is important.

Hopefully your daughter learns the truth and not your warped strawman version.

 

[Write4U]

The Theory of Evolution says nothing about "superior genetic stock".

The Bible does!

 

[Jan Ardena]

It doesn't matter in the least if I know your daughter or not, the problem is going to come back and bite you in the ass.

What exactly is going to come back and bite me in the ass?

Many children in her situation where their parents are creationists will grow up and not become creationists with the realization their parents were lying to them

That’s ok. If they’re being lied to, and they work it out. Then they would have thought about it for themselves. Good parents want their children to be intelligent, and able to work things out for themselves.
In the case of modern kids, they are being indoctrinated.

You’ve told me on this very platform, that I , as another human being, am incapable of any thought. Or some little kid is more intelligent than me because they can recite dogma, whether it be Christian, Islamic, or Darwinian.
Of course I can see how stupid that is.
But a child may really believe that to be the case, and surrender out of fear of being ridiculed in that way.
That is the power of indoctrinating children.
The same goes for religious indoctrination as well.

 

[Jan Ardena]

That's true - what you think is irrelevant. It's what the theory actually says that is important. And that is NOT what it says. This is why proper education is important.

That’s ok up to a point.
But at some point, future generations just aren’t going to engage in fireside chats, debate, or discussion. It’s going to become part of their outward expression.
Despite what any of us may think about darwinism, no one can say it is a fact.
Being excellent at explaining the theory does not make it a fact. We have to see the facts. Not just the educated. The non educated too, of which there are far more of.

 

[Beer w/Straw]

I can see how teachers would have this kind of, disdain?

 

[Jan Ardena]

The Theory of Evolution says nothing about "superior genetic stock".

Q told me, on numerous occasions, that I am basically a retard, because I don’t accept darwinism.
That means he, and others who think like him, including a grade 5 standard kid, are genetically superior.
Now he didn’t use the word “genetically””. But if I am unable to think, then genetics must play a role in this.

Now I am fairly certain he didn’t mean it, I could be wrong, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

But nevertheless. If I was impressionable, and gullible, that could have had a profound effect on me, and future generations of mine.

Why did he say this?
Because I think differently to him.

 

[sideshowbob]

Q told me, on numerous occasions, that I am basically a retard, because I don’t accept darwinism.
That means he, and others who think like him, including a grade 5 standard kid, are genetically superior.

Not genetically superior, maybe intellectually superior.

But if I am unable to think, then genetics must play a role in this.

You're not unable to think, just unwilling.

If I was impressionable, and gullible, that could have had a profound effect on me, and future generations of mine.

You might teach your future generations to be gullible but they won't inherit your gullibility.

 

[(Q)]

Q told me, on numerous occasions, that I am basically a retard, because I don’t accept darwinism.

You are lying, I have never called you a retard.

That means he, and others who think like him, including a grade 5 standard kid, are genetically superior.
Now he didn’t use the word “genetically””. But if I am unable to think, then genetics must play a role in this.

The child is "intellectually" superior. Please use a dictionary.

Now I am fairly certain he didn’t mean it, I could be wrong, but I will give him the benefit of the doubt.

Since you are obviously lying about what I said, you cannot in any way be certain other than the fact you're lying.

But nevertheless. If I was impressionable, and gullible, that could have had a profound effect on me, and future generations of mine.

Why did he say this?
Because I think differently to him.

Because I never said what you claim I said. Honesty is something you have little to do with, Jan. You can take that one to the bank.

 

[(Q)]

What exactly is going to come back and bite me in the ass?

That’s ok. If they’re being lied to, and they work it out. Then they would have thought about it for themselves. Good parents want their children to be intelligent, and able to work things out for themselves.

Unfortunately, if your daughter works out that you've been lying to her, you will not be seen as a good parent.

In the case of modern kids, they are being indoctrinated.

You’ve told me on this very platform, that I , as another human being, am incapable of any thought. Or some little kid is more intelligent than me because they can recite dogma, whether it be Christian, Islamic, or Darwinian.

It's not dogma, it's science.

Of course I can see how stupid that is.
But a child may really believe that to be the case, and surrender out of fear of being ridiculed in that way.
That is the power of indoctrinating children.
The same goes for religious indoctrination as well.

And, you appear to be indoctrinating your children with religious dogma and telling them lies. That will no bode well for you in the long run.

 

[Jan Ardena]

You are lying, I have never called you a retard.

Retarded; less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.

You said I can’t think? If it was true it would mean that I’m retarded.

The child is "intellectually" superior. Please use a dictionary.

Intellect; the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract matters.

Intellectually superior because he can recite darwinism?
Lol!! Is being able to do that the definition of ‘intellect’ in your mind?

Since you are obviously lying about what I said, you cannot in any way be certain other than the fact you're lying.

Do you really want me to bring the accusations?

Because I never said what you claim I said. Honesty is something you have little to do with, Jan. You can take that one to the bank.

Here you are still acting superior.
You can’t help it can you?

 

[Jan Ardena]

Unfortunately, if your daughter works out that you've been lying to her, you will not be seen as a good parent.

Why would you accuse me of lying to my daughter?
You don’t know me,Q.
What is your problem?
Why don’t you show where you think you know I am a liar, instead of bottling whatever feeling this is, up inside.
I thought we were getting on, but obviously we’re not.
Is it because I don’t accept darwinism?

It's not dogma, it's science.

I disagree.
But that’s no need for belligerence.

And, you appear to be indoctrinating your children with religious dogma and telling them lies. That will no bode well for you in the long run.

Firstly you don’t know what I tell my children.
Secondly it’s none of your business how I raise my children. So back off, and grow up.

 

[Write4U]

That’s ok up to a point.
But at some point, future generations just aren’t going to engage in fireside chats, debate, or discussion. It’s going to become part of their outward expression.
Despite what any of us may think about darwinism, no one can say it is a fact.

I just showed you the facts on which the theory is based. You refuse to read evidence and therefore all of your arguments are based on selective ignorance and are duplicitous.

Being excellent at explaining the theory does not make it a fact. We have to see the facts. Not just the educated. The non-educated too, of which there are far more of.

Yes they can, every farmer can show you in practice how they apply artificial selection to breed better milk-cows by selecting only the best milk producers for breeding. After a few generations, all milk cows will be better milk producers , from which the best are selected and the evolution of the current Holstein Friesians were bred, which produce large quantities of milk every day, without having any calves to feed. That is an example of artificial evolution and artificial selection.

Holstein Friesians (often shortened to Holsteins in North America, while the term Friesians is often used in the UK and Ireland) are a breed of dairy cattle originating from the Dutch provinces of North Holland and Friesland, and Schleswig-Holstein in Northern Germany. They are known as the world's highest-production dairy animals.

The Dutch and German breeders bred and oversaw the development of the breed with the goal of obtaining animals that could best use grass, the area's most abundant resource. Over the centuries, the result was a high-producing, black-and-white dairy cow.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holstein_Friesian_cattle

That's artificial evolution, but it is evolution, plain and simple.

Every domesticated farm animal or household pet is a result of controlled evolution and selection for specific desirable traits. How can you not see this fact that is staring you in the face every day of your life?

Do you lead such a shallow life that you cannot see how nature functioned billions of years before humans emerged from a common ancestor, through a chance beneficial mutation and natural selection of a successful versatile species, which was able to succesfully cope with its environment and eventually settled in all corners of the world which offered a habitable environment.

Nature works the same way as a farmer but slower because it deals with wild animals, instead of closely controlled domesticated breeds.

Every living thing you see is a product of evolution and natural selection for survivability. It's a fact!

 

[Jan Ardena]

Not genetically superior, maybe intellectually superior.

That’s what I was prepared to think, but I’m beginning to have second thoughts.
Or maybe no thoughts at all, if I can’t think.

You're not unable to think, just unwilling.

Really?
So if I accepted theory of evolution, would it mean I am willing to think?

You might teach your future generations to be gullible but they won't inherit your gullibility.

I wouldn’t teach them to be, because obviously I wouldn’t want them to be. But if that lack of confidence was part of my outward expression, it would rub off on them.

 

[(Q)]

Retarded; less advanced in mental, physical, or social development than is usual for one's age.

You said I can’t think? If it was true it would mean that I’m retarded.

Intellect; the faculty of reasoning and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract matters.

Intellectually superior because he can recite darwinism?
Lol!! Is being able to do that the definition of ‘intellect’ in your mind?

Do you really want me to bring the accusations?

Here you are still acting superior.
You can’t help it can you?

And, you still can't help but lie about what I said. How very sad.

 

[Jan Ardena]

I just showed you the facts on which the theory is based. You refuse to read evidence and therefore all of your arguments are based on selective ignorance and are duplicitous.

I know all that.
But did you notice this bit at the end?
It was your own summary.
There are no facts to back that up.
I simply disagree with you. That’s all.
There’s no need to accuse me of living a shallow life, or being unable, or unwilling to think, because I think differently to you, or disagree with you.

Do you lead such a shallow life that you cannot see how nature functioned billions of years before humans emerged from a common ancestor, through a chance beneficial mutation and natural selection of a successful versatile species, which was able to succesfully cope with its environment and eventually settled in all corners of the world which offered a habitable environment.

Nature works the same way as a farmer but slower because it deals with wild animals, instead of closely controlled domesticated breeds.

 

[Write4U]

There’s no need to accuse me of living a shallow life, or being unable, or unwilling to think, because Zi think differently to you.

Yea well, I'm sure you spend hours reading your bible and pondering "irreducible complexity".

Actually I'm wondering why I decided to take you off ignore. click.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Yea well, I'm sure you spend hours reading your bible and pondering "irreducible complexity".

Actually I'm wondering why I decided to take you off ignore. click.

Wow there’s some hate on this platform!

 

[Jan Ardena]

You made the claim without and evidence, yet again. As far as I can tell, this is your opinion.

Really?
You’re not aware of the various groups of AA’s who openly declare white peoples as genetically inferior, based on the idea that life began in Africa, and those Africans seeded the rest of the different ethnic groups, who are genetically watered down Africans?
They have their scholars who preach darwinism as proof of their claims.

If you don’t believe me, go and look for yourself. Or don’t. It’s up to you.

 

[gmilam]

That’s ok up to a point.
But at some point, future generations just aren’t going to engage in fireside chats, debate, or discussion. It’s going to become part of their outward expression.
Despite what any of us may think about darwinism, no one can say it is a fact.
Being excellent at explaining the theory does not make it a fact. We have to see the facts. Not just the educated. The non educated too, of which there are far more of.

You are proving my point that education is crucial.