Absolutely Nothing: Atheists on What They Know About What They Pretend to Discuss

[Xelasnave.1947]

You wish.

I know you’d like to think that, because you believe it is important to your stability.
But the truth of the matter is.
You accept darwinism because you reject and deny God. And the fact that He will not go away, has rendered you emotional, irrational, and erratic.

You’re pretty sharp Alex, but you can’t stir me up. Not on these on these kind of topics.
Because of your position, I can always know how you’re likely to respond. As a atheist, you can only go so far. Same as a darwinist. You all react the same.

You can believe it threatens theism if you want to. But you’re lying to yourself. Without political backing, darwinism would have died out long ago. Now it is a tool of indoctrination.
Where everyone is supposed to accept it, despite not being able to explain it, without appealing to made up drawings, and the continuous assertion that it is true, as so called evidence.

Wishful thinking Alex.

What else could you be?
Your belief has come under fire.
And you cannot defend it with even an explanation. Which is why you try these silly tactics.

As far as I can tell thus far. Your problem is that you lie to yourself. Which goes as far as lying to yourself about darwinism. What is most fascinating, is that your so blatant with it.
That’s what I regard it as phenomenal.

What is not so fascinating, but still interesting is the way you chop and change, and think I can’t see it. You’ll try to act all nice, and respectful, then change, and act harsh and disrespectful. Then apologise. Then do the whole thing again.
It really surprises me how you think I don’t notice that.

To me you are an explicit atheist, and I cottoned on to your game within the the first few exchanges we had.
As an explicit atheist, there is no way you’re not angry about God. That is is the primary characteristics of all explicit atheists. You can’t help yourselves. No matter which platform you go in, you all say the same things, and act the same way.
Truly fascinating.


Get outa here!!!!

Peace to you Jan.

Alex

 

[(Q)]

Let’s see if Q, Alex, and Paddoboy, can give their reasons why darwinism is a scientific fact.

The only claims are that darwinism is a scientific fact. But no one can explain why. Everyone just accepts it is.

Right now I’m interested in finding out why people personally believe darwinism is a scientific fact.

That is positive hard evidence that you are lying as I and others here have given you reasons, not just why we might believe, but why we understand evolution is fact. You are undoubtedly trolling and your entire reason for being here is to troll.

You call yourself a believer in Jesus and his teachings, yet your behavior is so far off what Jesus taught that he would consider you no more a follower of his teachings than the Romans who crucified him.

If you are any kind of an example of a devout follower, then I am quite satisfied not to be one and would stand tall in front of Jesus and tell Him exactly what I think of his followers. But of course, I wouldn't need to even go that far as He could see for Himself the abomination of those who would claim to be one while vomiting on his teachings. And if you do believe in Jesus, Jan, and you do believe you will stand if front of Him to be judged, please do take a good long hard look at yourself before that happens.

I'm done with your trolling here Jan. If you decide to change your ways, I'll be happy to have further discussions with you. Until then.

 

[paddoboy]

The fact that there are no facts that support it, it becomes political.

The facts that you have been shown to be a liar many times over, shows the above statement of yours as just a continuation of those lies.

Yet you cannot give me an explanation.

Unmitigated lying again. My reasons for accepting Darwinism is in this same post that you are lying about.
"I accept Darwinism and the theory of evolution because mainly of the fossil records and the science of carbon dating, and naturally also due to the overwhelming expert opinions. Only a fool disregards expert professional opinions".
Of course you don't like that, because as I illustrated, it shows you as a fool.

You’re an angry, irrational man, Paddo.
Because you have nothing to say.
Your insulting is simply evidence of that.

Not at all my friend, since I have offered and displayed proof of your lying, and just as an aside, so has everyone else in this thread, shown you to be a liar of gold medal standard.

Carbon dating shows dinosaurs to be thousands of years old. Do you accept that?

Bingo!! See what I mean Jan? more evidence that you are a liar...more evidence that you insideously change definitions of words to bolster your beliefs.

Bye bye Paddo!

But you are, and you obviously have. I mean the utter stupidity with some of your oft repeated claims after they are shown to be false, convincingly prove you an unmitigated liar.

 

[paddoboy]

You accept darwinism because you reject and deny God. And the fact that He will not go away, has rendered you emotional, irrational, and erratic.

While this is addressed to Alex, and while it continues with the same changing of definitions and lying as with all of Jan's posts, I must own up here as being part of the reason that Jan is so emotionally disturbed, and irrational to the point of stupidity.

I learnt many posts back, that Jan is quite annoyed and insulted when I use the god term without a capital letter...or jesus without a capital letter. Couple that with my oft reference to his deity as a "sky daddy" or a "magical spaghetti monster" and I believe we have the obvious reason for Jan's continued irrational and emotional lying outbursts.
I'm also a great judge of character and have Jan pretty well laid out.

 

[dumbest man on earth]

After these previous pages(waaaaayyyy too maaaaannnnyyy!!!) of whatever one chooses to call it...I thought that I might just remind everyone of the Original Post of this Thread.
So, the following is Post #1 of this Thread - it seems that what Tiassa had brought up is still going strong nearly two and a half years later!

Posted by Tiassa, Nov 15, 2017 :
" This is a question for atheists at Sciforums: What do you actually know about the "gods" and religions you criticize and complain about?

I mean, the thing about all the atheistic criticism of religion and religious people I see around here is absolutely and disgracefully ignorant. It's almost as if "atheism" has become, at Sciforums, a supremacist identity movement worshiping self-love and intellectual sloth.

And it turns out that when you try to discuss things with these atheists, all they can do is bait and wait, as if they were some manner of divine predator hunting those they consider weak. Ask them what they know, they wait for someone to answer their petty challenge, because it's not about history or philosophy or scholarship; in the end, it reads like petty supremacism as a cult among ignorant people.

So, come on, instead of just failing to understand people they think themselves smarter than, perhaps the atheists at Sciforums might remember the idea of demanding proof of God. I'm asking something far simpler, that one be capable of showing a clue what they're on about, and aren't just another flapping, ignorant bigot.

No, really: Asking meaningless questions and waiting for some stupid, English language learning religious person to inadequately answer an idiot-stupid question the querient is not even capable of comprehending so that one can feel smarter for telling that person off is, well, worse than merely meaningless behavior.

So, yeah, I'm curious: Atheists at Sciforums have, traditionally, believed themselves smarter than religious people. And while the survey data might say this or that about college degrees and income, I'm curious what you actually know, because for years it's seemed like pretty much nothing. Is it ignorance, sloth, maybe some arcane sense of strategy? Because it really is striking how little knowledge is actually shown in these critiques; they're more like parlor games and wordplay. "
- Posted by Tiassa, Nov 15, 2017

 

[Jan Ardena]

"I accept Darwinism and the theory of evolution because mainly of the fossil records and the science of carbon dating, and naturally also due to the overwhelming expert opinions. Only a fool disregards expert professional opinions".

What about the fossil records, and the science of carbon dating makes you accept darwinism as a scientific fact?

 

[Jan Ardena]

I learnt many posts back, that Jan is quite annoyed and insulted when I use the god term without a capital letter...or jesus without a capital letter.

You wish.

 

[Jan Ardena]

Bingo!! See what I mean Jan? more evidence that you are a liar...more evidence that you insideously change definitions of words to bolster your beliefs.

Do you accept the carbon dating of dinosaur soft tissue and bones of thousands of years as opposed to millions?

 

[paddoboy]

What about the fossil records, and the science of carbon dating makes you accept darwinism as a scientific fact?

The overwhelming numbers found and their generally step by step relationship, and more importantly, the professional expert opinion that goes far up and beyond your own ignorance..
What about creationism, eternal life, and your sky daddy. makes you accept it as fact?

 

[paddoboy]

You wish.

I know! You fool no one Jan, and your continued irrational responses, adds further to my valid description of you.

 

[paddoboy]

Do you accept the carbon dating of dinosaur soft tissue and bones of thousands of years as opposed to millions?

Not at all. That's simply your warped irrational response to a link you yourself gave and which happened to throw further light onto your irrational attitude.
The wise Mary the Paleontologist nailed it and in the process also nailed you and your irrational ilk.

 

[paddoboy]

As an explicit atheist, there is no way you’re not angry about God. That is is the primary characteristics of all explicit atheists.

That's about as irrational and down right stupid as your attempt at redefining Atheist to imply a god exists.

You can’t help yourselves. No matter which platform you go in, you all say the same things, and act the same way.
Truly fascinating.

Science is, and always has been a discipline in eternal progress, unlike your brainwashed stance and belief in some irrational, mythical sky daddy, and your hope that he/she/it will ply you with joy and happiness when your time comes to kick the bucket.
Truth though is that your eventual death will be it...the end finito, no more, that's it...total finality!!!
Ever been under Anesthetic Jan...its similar to a period of your life not existing...that's analogious to death that one day you will experience.

I must confess Jan, I noticed the Sun shining out of my arse this morning...that makes me god! be careful, be very careful!!

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

Good morning Jan , I slept very well last night knowing that you were ok.

but you can’t stir me up. Not on these on these kind of topics.

I hope you are not lieing again particularly just to make me feel better.
You seem to be the ends justifies the means sort of guy.

That's the problem when you constantly lie folk just don't know the full extent.

I mean so many of your lies are obvious and can be listed but one wonders always are there more?

In any event I sincerely hope that you take it all as good fun.

Maybe you are very wise and hide just a few truths amongst many lies so we have to work hard to find a few gems as it were...I think maybe that the drift with the New testament... the Romans wrote it set in human cult gods and astrology but hid a few wise words for the decent type of person to find and hold onto...like love your fellow man and to remain positive...they are good values don't you think?

I can always know how you’re likely to respond.

That's a relief that you are so competent or are you lieing again?

As a atheist, you can only go so far. Same as a darwinist. You all react the same

And what way would that be Jan?

You can believe it threatens theism if you want to

I don't think your Dawinism threatens your position Jan but sadly any one can clearly see it destroys the notion of creation and it's little ineffective sidekick ID....no threat Jan Dawinism just rolled over creationism without notice or resistance leaving creationists with nothing other than faith.

Fortunately sensible theists saw Dawinism as an insite into how their god did things and have no problem, yet creationists stick to the fable side of interpretation. Who is to say who is right...science fortunately...and it's shows creationists are wrong and their less than science notion of intelligent design to be no more than wishful thinking...unfortunately for you Jan those are the facts...creationists are a dieing breed and their attempt to offer ID as an answer fails due to their own laziness and failure to approach their hopeful wish as if it may be a valid hypothesis...fails all round sadly.

But you’re lying to yourself.

There you go again...judging others by what you do when in a similar situation.

I have not lied to anyone including myself whereas you lie routinely...who is the one that a passer by will see as lieing to themselves...me with not one lie recorded or you with lists of lies from just one single post.

Without political backing, darwinism would have died out long ago.

And here is me saying how you lie to yourself and you provide an example without being asked in your very next utterance.

Now it is a tool of indoctrination.

Another lie to drive home the fact that you are a pathetic liar...

I know I can say these things without upsetting you now that I understand that you see lieings as somewhat clever...unfortunately I see the opposite but as you are ok with being a liar I guess you will not be offended when I point out the obvious.

Where everyone is supposed to accept it, despite not being able to explain it, without appealing to made up drawings, and the continuous assertion that it is true, as so called evidence

But then you save the day with your fantastic cartoon showing how phydeaux became Willy...That cartoon should be shown in science class..who thought it up? If we didn't have this social distancing I would be showing it to people in the street telling them the next time a crazy creationist badgers them about why they accept Dawinism to show them your cartoon...

Wishful thinking Alex.

I sincerely hope you are not lieing Jan... I should be more gentle with you but you are just so adorably crushable and vunerable...crushing you is as addictive as popping bubble wrap.

Your belief has come under fire.
And you cannot defend it with even an explanation.

Sure you are so right Jan...I thought I better throw you a bone so you feel you are not being severely crushed...again...but you do realise you are projecting yet again..but ok take your bone and show it to your mates.

As far as I can tell thus far. Your problem is that you lie to yourself. Which goes as far as lying to yourself about darwinism. What is most fascinating, is that your so blatant with it.

Have you finished that bone already? Want another?

Sure have it your way,...that sort of thinking fits well with your delusional thinking about creationism so go ahead lie to yourself if it makes you feel good...at least you don't buy that telling lies makes Jesus cry.

What is not so fascinating, but still interesting is the way you chop and change, and think I can’t see it.

I work on the basis that you can see it. I do it in an effort to get you to raise your game for one...and while you are wondering what move I will make next I slip in one of those crushing blows that has left you punch drunk.

It really surprises me how you think I don’t notice that.

Well now you know.

I do respect you Jan but I find your lies do you no service and look forward to the day when you don't need to lie and can conduct an arguement at some higher level, I know I am being sellfish but I would like you to present more of a challenge and put up a reasonable fight.

there is no way you’re not angry about God.

You just do not understand.

I do not hate god, sorry, God, yours or any of the thousands out there...these gods including your God simply do not exist for me no more than Santa or the Easter bunny...I don't even hate the folk who believe in one of these gods or in your case God...what you do not get is my dislike is for the rotters who prey on poor simple folk like you to rob them of their dignity and their cash...just think about how much cash they have taken you for over the years..I know..you really can't face that one...have you contributed to a pastor private jet..think of the poor folk that have..you know what I am talking about and I have no problem with a rational theist one who finds beauty and meaning in the Old Testament and can overlook the myth and find useful life tools in even the New Testament.
Saying I hate God shows you are simply narrow minded is all.

No matter which platform you go in, you all say the same things, and act the same way.

That statement is just so wrong and merely reflects your lack of understanding of folk outside your belief system.

Anyways try and lift your game. Think of drug cheats in sport..they may get the medal via drugs but have they really won?
Money is one thing but paying for it with your self esteem just does not work long term.
Being honest and beating your opponent I know you will find more satisfying and you will build your self esteem Jan with self esteem your outlook on many things will change, fear and self loathing will disappear, you will be noticed as someone special...it works.

Alex

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

After these previous pages(waaaaayyyy too maaaaannnnyyy!!!) of whatever one chooses to call it...I thought that I might just remind everyone of the Original Post of this Thread.
So, the following is Post #1 of this Thread - it seems that what Tiassa had brought up is still going strong nearly two and a half years later!

Posted by Tiassa, Nov 15, 2017 :
" This is a question for atheists at Sciforums: What do you actually know about the "gods" and religions you criticize and complain about?

I mean, the thing about all the atheistic criticism of religion and religious people I see around here is absolutely and disgracefully ignorant. It's almost as if "atheism" has become, at Sciforums, a supremacist identity movement worshiping self-love and intellectual sloth.

And it turns out that when you try to discuss things with these atheists, all they can do is bait and wait, as if they were some manner of divine predator hunting those they consider weak. Ask them what they know, they wait for someone to answer their petty challenge, because it's not about history or philosophy or scholarship; in the end, it reads like petty supremacism as a cult among ignorant people.

So, come on, instead of just failing to understand people they think themselves smarter than, perhaps the atheists at Sciforums might remember the idea of demanding proof of God. I'm asking something far simpler, that one be capable of showing a clue what they're on about, and aren't just another flapping, ignorant bigot.

No, really: Asking meaningless questions and waiting for some stupid, English language learning religious person to inadequately answer an idiot-stupid question the querient is not even capable of comprehending so that one can feel smarter for telling that person off is, well, worse than merely meaningless behavior.

So, yeah, I'm curious: Atheists at Sciforums have, traditionally, believed themselves smarter than religious people. And while the survey data might say this or that about college degrees and income, I'm curious what you actually know, because for years it's seemed like pretty much nothing. Is it ignorance, sloth, maybe some arcane sense of strategy? Because it really is striking how little knowledge is actually shown in these critiques; they're more like parlor games and wordplay. "
- Posted by Tiassa, Nov 15, 2017

Sounds like an attempt to confine religious discussion to boundaries set by the Old and new testament when the real scholarship must be extended well past ...into the past..the past that shows where the religion we are asked to restrict our scholarship to has it's origin.

And the silly responses by atheists are perhaps efforts to demonstrate how little most theists know about religion other than their narrow little snap shot.

No matter which way you approach theisist it boils down to one thing...if one makes a claim one should support it. Theists have the tiresome approach of..well you prove God does not exists...and all the scholarship on the planet can not take that simple requirement off the table.

Alex

 

[paddoboy]

After these previous pages(waaaaayyyy too maaaaannnnyyy!!!) of whatever one chooses to call it...I thought that I might just remind everyone of the Original Post of this Thread.

Thanks old friend!!!
And my first reply on that first page went like this bold text Tiassa.......red text me
↑Tiassa:
This is a question for atheists at Sciforums: What do you actually know about the "gods" and religions you criticize and complain about?
Speaking for myself, I try and believe I am only critical of religion and people discussing their deity beliefs, if and when I see them using that belief either insidiously or openly, to be critical of science particularly cosmology, without any empirical evidence either invalidating that area of science, or validating some deity as the cause of it all.
↑Taissa:
I mean, the thing about all the atheistic criticism of religion and religious people I see around here is absolutely and disgracefully ignorant. It's almost as if "atheism" has become, at Sciforums, a supremacist identity movement worshiping self-love and intellectual sloth.
The thing I see around here in actual fact, is certain people doing their level best to try and belittle science at every turn, and in whatever methodology, often claiming they have invalidated GR or casting doubt on the scientific methodology.
Tiassa:↑
And it turns out that when you try to discuss things with these atheists, all they can do is bait and wait, as if they were some manner of divine predator hunting those they consider weak. Ask them what they know, they wait for someone to answer their petty challenge, because it's not about history or philosophy or scholarship; in the end, it reads like petty supremacism as a cult among ignorant people.
I see it as the other way round...that is religious people and IDers, baiting whenever they see a gap in scientific knowledge, via their "god of the gaps" speculative. The last time I looked this whole forum was still under the banner of science and as such, the scientific methodology should take pride of place.
If I walked into a church next Sunday and started to shout out for all to hear, about how science has progressed humanity and how it has pushed any real necessity for any God into near oblivion, then I would certainly expect a violent backlash from at least part of the congregation.
Tiassa:↑

So, come on, instead of just failing to understand people they think themselves smarter than, perhaps the atheists at Sciforums might remember the idea of demanding proof of God. I'm asking something far simpler, that one be capable of showing a clue what they're on about, and aren't just another flapping, ignorant bigot.
I do understand why people believe in God, my wife is a true Christian in every sense of the word and we have been married now for 42 years, and both our first marriages.
On my personal knowledge, as most should be able to tell you here, I simply am a retired Maintenance Fitter/Machinist/Welder, who has brushed up on what little general knowledge I may have, by reading reputable books and partaking in science forums.
↑Taissa:

No, really: Asking meaningless questions and waiting for some stupid, English language learning religious person to inadequately answer an idiot-stupid question the querient is not even capable of comprehending so that one can feel smarter for telling that person off is, well, worse than merely meaningless behavior.
What meaningless questions are these? If some religious fanatic tells me that god created the universe and you and me, why is it meaningless for me to ask who created god?
↑Tiassa:

So, yeah, I'm curious: Atheists at Sciforums have, traditionally, believed themselves smarter than religious people. And while the survey data might say this or that about college degrees and income, I'm curious what you actually know, because for years it's seemed like pretty much nothing. Is it ignorance, sloth, maybe some arcane sense of strategy? Because it really is striking how little knowledge is actually shown in these critiques; they're more like parlor games and wordplay.
Again speaking for myself, I would ask why do religious people so often believe they are smarter then someone that adheres to the scientific method? Why do so many some generally "closeted believers" pretend that they have overthrown 21st century cosmology and other aspects of science that at least has some empirical evidence supporting it? There certainly are very smart religious people and probably also dumb ones, and that applies to Atheists and Agnostics also.

My view is the more insidious believers, see themselves on a white charger, conducting some evangelistic inspired mission against science, and taking it in a false display of courage into the Lion's den [a science forum] due to the fact that science in general and cosmology in particular, has eliminated any need for any deity at least back to a small fraction of a second post BB..​

 

[Jan Ardena]

Not at all. That's simply your warped irrational response to a link you yourself gave and which happened to throw further light onto your irrational attitude.
The wise Mary the Paleontologist nailed it and in the process also nailed you and your irrational ilk.

That’s all I wanted to know.

 

[paddoboy]

Just done some going back research in this calamity of a thread, and as far back as post 183, Jan was recognised as dishonest.....

Says the typical overt Abrahamic theist, demonstrating their standard rhetorical approach on a science forum. Misrepresent, then attack.

So your rhetorical tactic of deflection by talking about what things are "like" was - as noted - dishonest.
There are several true theistic positions. Not all of them are - as yours is - fundamentally dishonest.
.

 

[paddoboy]

That’s all I wanted to know.

If you would like to really know, you know science, the fact that Darwinism and the theory of evolution are both theory and fact, and many other aspects of science/cosmology, going back to t+10-43 seconds, I can recommend a number of reputable books.

 

[Xelasnave.1947]

If you would like to really know, you know science, the fact that Darwinism and the theory of evolution are both theory and fact, and many other aspects of science/cosmology, going back to t+10-43 seconds, I can recommend a number of reputable books.

I think he already has a good book that explains it all...and that is the problem.
Alex

 

[Jan Ardena]

Yee-haw!!!