It is accepted, not only scientifically, but intuitively. I dare say people like yourself are in denial of it, because of its theological connotations. Which means you are prepared to deny truth, to maintain your delusion.
Very dangerous.
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Very dangerous.
Nope you are attempting to make light of it.
Because it makes you realise that it is just a story. I bet that visual was conceived long before the idea came into fruition.
You’re obsessed with the word “troll”.
If revealing that no one can explain why they accept darwinism as science, then colour me troll. The punishment, whatever that may be, is worth it.
Your deluded.
I have MPD.
You can’t know anything for sure.
Again, you lose.
Masochist.
Xelasnave.1947
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Aliens or god?
Well if it is obvious apply scientific rigor and prove your claim.
You out foxed me..I thought you would say god..oh wait you did in effect.
as I said support your claim.
Look Jan I try to appear humble and don't brag about what I know but I know the complexity of a cell, of most everything to a large degree...I sit and think travelling from imagining I am looking at quarks to travelling to the largest galaxy in the known universe and the giant voids...but I do agree the complexity of a cell is mind blowing...everything is really when you think about things deeply.
That is a lie. A big stupid one. You have a short circuit someplace I am beginning to think..it's like you have a blind spot...fix it and stop being stupid..I demand more of you than this stupidity that has overcome you...are you eating the cat nip?
I think I understand why you see religion is important Jan but we need to move past it's superstition.
The most decent kids I know have built their own morality and without fear of hell and most important their ability to think is so far ahead of the poor little devils who have been brain washed..what you fear is reasonable but humans are better than you give then credit for. There is nothing to fear.
Alex
There are no name tags in the evidence.
But it is still intelligent all the same.
Go, look see for yourself.
evasion tactic!!! evasion tactic!!! evasion tactic!!! ....
Go, look see for yourself.
Observation is part of the verification process.
How do you observe pakicetus eventually turning into a whale?
By drawing pictures, and making kiddie cartoons. Really?
I won’t ask you in a personal level, because it is a fact that you have no rational, or logical idea.
You only believe. I’m sorry that it pains you to hear that. But it’s true.
If I’m going to be banned from this place, I m going to at least tell you the truth in the hope that one you’ll awaken from this dreamworld of yours.
Again you digress, by bringing religion into the mix. I’m not talking about religion. Why are you?
That remains to be seen matey-pie!
Write4U
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It's funny, we never hear about Unintelligent Designs.
What about those biological patterns that are not so Intelligently Designed? ....Lots of those around too....
If God experimented with designs he made an awful lot of mistakes. Over and over again!
Some 95% of all biological species are extinct and replaced by more efficiently Designed biological patterns.
If God can't figure out the perfect design in 14 billion years, maybe he should look for a different occupation requiring somewhat less intelligence....
What about those biological patterns that are not so Intelligently Designed? ....Lots of those around too....
If God experimented with designs he made an awful lot of mistakes. Over and over again!
Some 95% of all biological species are extinct and replaced by more efficiently Designed biological patterns.
If God can't figure out the perfect design in 14 billion years, maybe he should look for a different occupation requiring somewhat less intelligence....
Xelasnave.1947
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No no no no...a realist Jan..no bunny words remember.
I gave you my opinion..they are students..what more is there to discuss?
It is not accepted scientifically that is a lie. It's not it's not it's not it's not...the courts say that get it now?
You can feel good about it but it is not science..that is your problem why it will not be taught in schools because it is not science it is religion with like the rest of it totally absent of substance...you just don't get it such is your indoctrination.
No to accept it without proof would be dangerous.look you want your religious views to be respected..I understand but you have to realise unless you can support your claim it is a mere belief and as such just keep it to yourself..what is this need to try and make folk believe what you believe..honestly it's sick Jan. Look at all the religions..are they all correct? I DONT CARE JUST KEEP IT TO YOURSELVES...
No no no no Jan..you can't keep doing this..I told you I like it and I do..it is perfect to show how a creature changed...if you don't like evolutionary propaganda don't post it..if you wanted to make fun of Evolution why didn't you post something that told a picture that wasn't basically true..I don't get you. The cartoon should be used to show your mob how an animal can evolve...it tells it as it is in effect.
Like it or not you are trolling..repeatedly..even now..you have your answers..as I said it's like part of your brain is not working...it's like you are colour blind..you just can't not see you have been given the answers you ask for..telling you a million times..they will still be the same answer..you need some sort o
Whatever you say..clearly you read my words to mean whatever you want..example the cartoon..get real..honestly get real.Your deluded.
I have MPD.
You can’t know anything for sure.
Again, you lose.
Masochist.
None..I repeat..None.. None has been show..that is the truth reject it I don't care.
No no no..you make a claim you support it.
Stop being silly.
Bull shit walks so on your way.
Stop eating cat nip.
Your are into it or something tonight I can tell..no memory of events etc..that's ok I am not here to judge you.
I know learning this stuff must cause you to have doubts but there is no need..the Old Testament is OK if you see it for what it is and sure there is stuff that you must mentally edit out..just keep away from the lies that are the new testament..it was the Romans seakyness... JC was a front for a certain emperor...some of the lessons work but most of it is astrology based and just wrong.
I am confident I will be ok but hey thanks for your concern.
You are dripping with religion that's why it features here.
Whatever it is have one for me ..high for now.
Alex
I’m still not sure why you regard that an argument against design.
Why is it important that a design be “perfect”?
Alex...
You are obsessed with religion and trolls.
You are unable to think straight because of your obsession.
You steal my quips.
But that’s alright.
I’m getting trough to you, so you are allowed.
I hope you get a chance to accept God before checking out, or at least have the opportunity to reason properly.
I bet you see that as religion and trolling!
You are obsessed with religion and trolls.
You are unable to think straight because of your obsession.
You steal my quips.
But that’s alright.
I’m getting trough to you, so you are allowed.
I hope you get a chance to accept God before checking out, or at least have the opportunity to reason properly.
I bet you see that as religion and trolling!
I won't comment on your continuing lying and redefining words and sentences...that is now abundantly clear as I have shown.
And I dare say that will continue. As I keep telling you Jan, you can deny, lie, change definitions and act like a charlatan as much as you like on this remote forum. It's certainly not convincing anyone here, and is changing SFA, in fact I would suggest some are emmbarrased and disgusted with the lies and fraudulent way you have carried on.
You don't like being labeled as a troll, but that is all you have done. And finally before I leave you for bed, let me mention another example of your total hypocrisy
So you conveniantly forget "reducing yourself" to that same level, when I first stated the fact of your insideous habit of changing definitions of words to bolster your mythical spaghetti monster, and which I showed making it a fact? You threaten to report me and I have no doubt you did. Didn't work did it? I mean it was just a case of your probable dementia, or simply lying.
Is this what your ID creationist overlords approve of?
Any way Jan if any banning does occur it will be your own doing. Is your mythical sky daddy really worth the effort?
No that's science and that is what our children thankfully are being taught. Far better for today's children to be educated in the sciences, including Darwinism and evolution, then succumbing so readily and stupidly by creationist and ID lies, as you have done here.
And I dare say that will continue. As I keep telling you Jan, you can deny, lie, change definitions and act like a charlatan as much as you like on this remote forum. It's certainly not convincing anyone here, and is changing SFA, in fact I would suggest some are emmbarrased and disgusted with the lies and fraudulent way you have carried on.
You don't like being labeled as a troll, but that is all you have done. And finally before I leave you for bed, let me mention another example of your total hypocrisy
So you conveniantly forget "reducing yourself" to that same level, when I first stated the fact of your insideous habit of changing definitions of words to bolster your mythical spaghetti monster, and which I showed making it a fact? You threaten to report me and I have no doubt you did. Didn't work did it? I mean it was just a case of your probable dementia, or simply lying.Is this what your ID creationist overlords approve of?
Any way Jan if any banning does occur it will be your own doing. Is your mythical sky daddy really worth the effort?
Xelasnave.1947
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???
I know you mean well at least that is my hope, not for me but for you.
So I will say thank you for your best wishes and leave it at that.
Alex
Write4U
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I fear religious people. I fear anyone who tries to convince me to believe in something they think I should obey on threat of eternal hell and suffering. In my book that is called Domination and submission.
I have no desire to practice either.
Paddo.
You’re a confused guy.
That’s an irrational fear.
You fail to see that you’re knee deep in a religion. And not one if the good ones.
The link showing evolution of a skink to a snake.
The list of sciences that prove progression from pakicetus to odontocetes.
For starters.
As PART of the discussion, sure. There are a lot of mentions of God in the Bible.
Correct. What is evidence is the factual material presented on such sites.
Of course there is.
Example - I personally believe in Maxwell's Equations. Why me personally? Because I design antennas using Maxwell's Equations - and they work. I design PWB's that carry GHz-frequency signals - and they work, because I understand Maxwell's Equations well enough to design effective transmission lines.
I personally believe in erosion, because I have watched a tiny runoff stream in our home in New York collapse a railroad-tie wall. And that was in just a few years.
My wife is a biologist and a doctor. She has seen bacteria evolve. (Darwinian-evolve to use your weasel words.) She's seen antibiotic resistance climb in noscomial infections. So she personally believes it is a scientific fact - because she has seen it.
Given that thus thread has gone thousands of posts that is provably untrue - like many other things you say.
Regarding Skinks, I didn’t see a link.
You said “And Australian skinks went from four-legged animals to limbless snakes (even more of a change than legs to flukes) in 3.6 million years.
Let’s bare in mind, according to Wikipedia there are 1500 species of skink, and one type, namely Typhlosaurus have no limbs.
Yet you say the Australian skinks went from four legged animals to limbless snakes, to make it sound as though darwinian evolution has taken place.
I did look at the whale evolution one, but that was, for all intent and purpose, a bunch of pictures made up by Gingrich, or some other darwinist. Apart from any pictures of whales we actually observe today.
Anyone can draw make belief animals, and stories. I’m not interested in that.
I asked what make you think it is scientific evidence, assuming you really believe it is. Which I doubt.
No you wouldn’t.
You’d start crying about I was preaching, and evangelising. I’ve been here a good few years, and you guys are nothing, if not predictable.
Lol! No it’s not.
By that logic, that video I sent Alex is also evidence as well. Darn it any utterances of darwinism is scientific fact, must be evidence.
Because this far, that is all you have. And that is based on the assertion by some scientists.
Smacks of philosophy and religion, not science.
Did they remain bacteria, or did they become an entirely different type of organism?
I ask that because that is the main attraction claim of darwinism.
What does that have to with darwinist cannot accept any criticism that shows darwinism as not a scientific fact.?
Once again: https://www.livescience.com/3053-evolution-action-lizards-losing-limbs.html
It did. Just like Pakicetus went from four legged animals to whales.
You think actual physical fossils are "a bunch of pictures made up by Gingrich?"
Of course. Fossils are the opposite of make believe animals.
Here it is again for you to ignore, then later claim you never saw it:
The actual physical fossils of the transitional forms between pakicetus and odontocetes.
The radiocarbon dating that demonstrates how old they are.
The oxygen isotope studies that demonstrates where they lived.
The comparative anatomy that documents the gradual change in phenotype from pakicetus to whale.
The molecular clocks that prove that hippos and whales shared an ancestor.
It would be preferable to this constant whining and denial. "It's not true! I never saw it! OK I saw it but I didn't read it! And you can't make me!"
Fossils are scientific fact. They are also evidence of evolution.
They did both. Some completely changed their metabolism to avoid antibiotics designed to interfere with their metabolism.
I take it logic is not your strong suit.
I do mean well.
And I don’t mean you should convert to a religion, or become a theist. That is entirely up to you
I would simply like you, to allow yourself to try and really comprehend it. And decide on a proper basis that it’s not for you, or whatever conclusion you reach.
Watching these televangelists, and the like, does not represent theism, God. At least not first.
It’s not only atheists who are not bothering with religion on account of these people. Theist are leaving as well. Because they realise these guys aren’t God- conscious.
Somehow though, Im inclined to think you are more aware than you let on. I think you like to be perceived in a way where people kind of look down on you, and underestimated you. Giving you some sort of advantage. Maybe it’s from your fighting days.
Let me know if I am correct in my analysis.
Ah, the same, tired arguments. lol I was hoping for a different kind of conversation when it comes to science and faith.
I'm not sure why so many scientists/science enthusiasts or people of faith, feel that science and faith remain on opposite sides of the fence. Like they need to keep their distance from one another.
To a believer, if we're being honest, the science behind daily ''miracles,'' doesn't make them any less miraculous. And, many of our personal beliefs, even secular ones, are founded on faith. Consciousness, love, kindness, etc are all secular ideas that have subjective meanings, depending on who you talk to about them. Not all secular principles can be proven, and some are personal opinions or require a certain amount of faith. Faith that what we believe is true to the best of our knowledge.
I think we all split hairs too much - as if we're in a contest of who is smarter...secularists or believers.
I'm not sure why so many scientists/science enthusiasts or people of faith, feel that science and faith remain on opposite sides of the fence. Like they need to keep their distance from one another.
To a believer, if we're being honest, the science behind daily ''miracles,'' doesn't make them any less miraculous. And, many of our personal beliefs, even secular ones, are founded on faith. Consciousness, love, kindness, etc are all secular ideas that have subjective meanings, depending on who you talk to about them. Not all secular principles can be proven, and some are personal opinions or require a certain amount of faith. Faith that what we believe is true to the best of our knowledge.I think we all split hairs too much - as if we're in a contest of who is smarter...secularists or believers.
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