Three people can teach three different things, that are all true. Different truths can exist simontaneously. There can be different truths, that are all true. It isn't linear where this is either right or this is wrong. And..how exactly are we equally created? Equal means the same or identical.
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Three people can teach three different things, that are all true. Different truths can exist simontaneously. There can be different truths, that are all true. It isn't linear where this is either right or this is wrong. And..how exactly are we equally created? Equal means the same or identical.
What the Bible tells us to do is to cast seed. Indeed, spreading seed here is like spreading it in Manhattan. But, I am commanded to spread it b/c there is a chance, albeit small, that someone will read this, and that it will be the gateway to them accpeting Christ.
That's a rather ambiguous definition of god, it doesn't really explain anything about god.
And you know this how?
Sorry, but the conclusion is unwarranted. Nothing you have said so far demonstrates this. If god is infinite and omnipotent it might manifest itself in an infinite variety of ways.
~Raithere
I don't find that god is explicable in human terms, any defined concept falls short of infinite and anything finite is not god. The logic is rather simple: If anything exists which is not god then that exists which is greater than god (i.e. god + not-god) and that must be god.
What does 'above all' mean in context? Do you mean 'more powerful', 'primary to', 'has authority over', all of the above, or something else? Additionally, separating god from its 'creation' limits god and introduces again the problem I explained above.
Frankly, I don't need to, I'm not making the claim. But if god is omnipotent then what would limit it from manifesting itself in any number of ways? Where and how are you going to limit god to one expression of itself?
Perhaps god is the true expression of all religion but manifests itself appropriate to the culture and the sophistication of the people it reveals itself to. If there are many ways to think about or express the nature of the sun, rain, or a tree how many more ways should there be to express the nature of something as vast as god?
~Raithere
And you're doing a great job, but without results - apart from the usual tripe found from the usual punters of these boards.
God did not ask you to do the impossible. But you are doing this by trying to educate pork. Your wise words are too precious to be wasted on the ignorant heathens here. They are evil and will try to wind you up just for fun, they don't care less about the message you have.
You can lead a horse to water.
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Every thing is less than God, otherwise God wouldn't be God as such. God needs nothing to added to Himself, for the same reason. And he is all sufficient in Himself; for once again the same reason. Therefore your presumption that God plus something less than God IS God is false. Adding finite things to infinite things doesn't make the infinite thing more infinite.
All of the above. And God's prescence is everywhere.
God cannot manifest Himself outside of his pefections, He cannot manifest Himself outside of who He truly is. Otherwise he wouldn't He wouldn't be worthy of worship.
This is where you are WRONGG!!! He NEVER claimed to be the son of God. Christianity made that up. Jesus (pbuh) came down like all the other prophets to teach the Oneness of God and to teach that God has NO partners (such as a son). Giving partners to God as you do, sayiing Jesus is the son of God (astighfirallah) is an UNFORGIVABLE sin in Islam.
He never NEVER said he was anything but a MESSENGER from God. This does not make him any more or less special than another MESSENGER --- Muhammad (pbuh)
what is so difficult to understand about this???? Jesus was a MAN! NOT A GOD!
The whole belief of God even having a son --- doesnt it sound pagan even to your ears?? How is it possible that you, & i deem you to be intelligent, can believe in it??!!
Exactly. Christians give too much importance to Jesus. What you are doing is man-worship & you do not even realize it.
Hence, your original question-- how could Muslims not likewise be madly in love with Jesus & accept Muhammad as the last messenger? You are blinded by your infatuation with A MAN, and have forgotten what is a thousand million times more important-- God.
Do you realize that the Bible/Christianity as a religion was not even documented or written down until hundreds of years after Jesus? I am sure this is not news for you. How can you not see then, that CHANGES have been made to the original message of Jesus. He only preached in the ONENESS, I repeat the ONENESS of God, as did all the other messengers including Muhammad (pbuh).
Hello Missy
Most muslims on these boards hate Christianity, take this recent post I recieved from one of your muslim buddies:
This person is a muslim writing about Christianity and yes I really do believe that he hates Christianity. These aggressive posts from muslims are common so when I say that muslims hate Christianity - I have every reason to believe it.
Atheists hate anything Christian - fact.
I am very sorry to see a Muslim debating about religion in such a crude manner. My religion teachers otherwise:
Invite [all] to the Way of your Rabb with wisdom and beautiful preaching ... (Qur'an 16:125)
(Rabb is one of the names of Allah. It simply means Lord.)
my apologies on his behalf..
Invite [all] to the Way of your Rabb with wisdom and beautiful preaching ... (Qur'an 16:125)
(Rabb is one of the names of Allah. It simply means Lord.)
my apologies on his behalf..
Miss Khan,
Now take a deep breath. you say that Christ didn't claim to be the Son of God. A)Have you searched this out yourself and found it to be true?
B)You didn't read this entire thread. Otherwise you would have read Chris's post(who if you can't figure it out, is as unchristian as I am christian).
Try this site, this was the link, Cris brought up. I didn't.
http://www.everystudent.com/wires/whodoyousay.html
And Jesus was not a God. He is part of THE Trinity, which are the three inseparable aspects of one God.
That wasn't my original question. I wanted to know why you guys put Mohammed in higher esteem than Jesus.
Do you have evidence of this? Were you there? That would be the only way to prove that Jesus said something other than what Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John say he said.
Now who do you think put the Christ in Christianity - Jesus did -Yaaay!
Jesus is the Son of God, how can you confuse this?
You must be confusing yourself with some other Faith. Christians believe in God. By the way, ever heard of the Trinity?
Ah, I see. Preaching Islam now are we.
Sorry dear, you can hardly compare a common man with the Son of God - no contest. I think your attempts are admirable as your argument is so very weak.
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what makes jesus better thsn mohammed?
mate, what a stupid simple question! why do you want to know thinking about joining a relgion, or are you giving muslims shit? because if you are giving it to them, then that is not a very christian thing to do.