Righteous Without a Clue
Bells said:
I see, so your failure to read through the thread and understand the context in which the comments were made is my fault.
You can follow that rant?
Wow. Congratulations.
But you know, there's another interesting issue that needs to be settled. As I've suggested before, show me the doctor who would, on the request of a woman who has just pushed a "bowling ball", "boulder", "Volkswagen", or whatever other charming euphemisms we might invent, out of her vagina, choose to terminate the baby instead of cutting the cord.
We come back to Kermit Gosnell, obviously. Which makes the point:
Any doctor who would do that should not be allowed to practice. Beyond that, though, notice the inherent bigotry of such misogynistic abortion fantasies ... against
doctors.
The dry-foot standard is actually quite simplistic; the only complications come from those desperate to invent one. Hence that old inquiry about the woman who would abort as the baby emerges to get revenge on the father.
Whatever depraved fantasies such people want to invent in order to make some sort of question about the time between emergence and cutting the cord are nothing more than misogynistic pedantry. Note, for instance, that in Capracus' appeal to the equivalence of pre- and post-natal organisms, the mother disappears yet again. After all, to him, it's a
merely a matter of location. Apparently, a woman is a place, not a person.
And notice also how the complainers expect
other people to go do their digging for them. You and I can go haul up pieces of that thread to accommodate, say, Trooper's demand, but apparently she has no obligation to even
read the damn discussion she chooses to characterize and complain about.
Funny thing is, part of me wants to inquire regarding how you feel about the rationality of atheism being so represented. Or maybe it's not so funny, but simply sad.
This is what I'm after, Bells. Balerion's conspiracy theories. (Q)'s abject bigotry. A massive flood of amateurish sleight and deception. Trooper's collapse into dishonest incoherence. We already know why the religious won't convert to your outlook; it's too rational, and that rationality challenges ideas and beliefs that go beyond the basic question of whether or not God exists.
But there is also the question of why the religious won't convert to other atheistic outlooks, and one of the great functional challenges there is that when people witness behavior such as so many of our neighbors have exhibited, it creates and reinforces negative associations regarding atheism, no matter how much some might try to evade such critiques.
You mentioned, some posts back, American conservatism and its connection to religion and oppression.
I need atheists—and to guard against the expected pedantry of our neighbors, let me clarify that means
any individual atheist—to stop making things worse. I need them to stop making that fight harder. I recognize that some don't, but if we pause to acknowledge every "not all atheists", we effectively ignore the larger problem, just like we might ignore the question of rape and ownership cultures in order to accommodate every appeal to "not all men".
You appealed to my regard for American conservatism and religion. I now appeal to your regard for
progress.
