This is the methodology of most anti science nuts and crazies that forums such as this attract.
They have no other outlet for their bullshit.
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They have no other outlet for their bullshit.
Magical Realist
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Impressionable indeed. Impressioned by something quite extraordinary too.
No, just unidentified.
That's what the "U" stands for.
He knows that but lacks the intestinal fortitude as is evidenced many times over many threads, to ever admit he is in error or wrong.
That would expose his childish gullibility trait.
Magical Realist
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Who knows? There could be a different version of the same earth in another dimension. Interdimensionals could be in a parallel reality right here beside us and we'd only see them when they opened up portals.
Trying to "get out from under"now MR? Trying to worm out of admitting you were wrong?
Any different version of Earth in another dimension is still not this earth and so by definition is Alien.
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Who knows? Mankind perceives only a small sliver of reality.
Bells
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And each time, you keep proving my point..
And again..
And again..
Ah yes, Zimbabwe's great alien invasion...
Mundane explanation?
Hind’s narrative closely mirrors Sarah’s recollection. At 10am, Hind writes, on a hot day, the children were let out for their mid-morning break. They were drawn to an area beyond their playing field of “long grass with thorn and other indigenous bushes, trees growing higgledy-piggledy fashion, and undergrowth thick and heavy enough to hide a child should he venture there”.
The teachers had all entered the staff room for a meeting and the only adult outdoors was the tuckshop mistress, who was soon swamped by children claiming they had seen “three or four objects coming into the rough bush area … disc-like objects coming in along the power lines and finally landing in the rough, among the trees. The children were a little bit afraid, although they were also curious.”
The UFO investigator goes on to record the testimonies of several of the children, who she says represented “a cross-section of Zimbabweans: black African children from several tribes, coloured children (a cross-breeding of black and white), Asian children (whose grandparents were from India) and white children, mostly Zimbabwean-born, but whose parents were either from South Africa or Britain”.
Although they all came from wealthy families (tuition at Ariel School was expensive), Hind believed their cultural differences gave rise to differing interpretations of the event, and that the differences in interpretation made the details that were common to all accounts very compelling indeed.
One of the white students, for example, “thought at first that the little man in black might have been Mrs Stevens’ gardener, but then he saw that the figure had long, straight black hair, ‘not really like [a] black [person’s] hair’, so he realised he had made a mistake!”
Some of the black children thought the short little beings were zvikwambo, or tokoloshes – the evil goblins of Shona and Ndebele folklore – and burst into tears, fearing they would be eaten.
Guy G said: “ could see the little man (about a metre tall) was dressed in a black, shiny suit; that he had long black hair and his eyes, which seemed lower on the cheek than our eyes, were large and elongated. The mouth was just a slit and the ears were hardly discernible.”
The teachers had all entered the staff room for a meeting and the only adult outdoors was the tuckshop mistress, who was soon swamped by children claiming they had seen “three or four objects coming into the rough bush area … disc-like objects coming in along the power lines and finally landing in the rough, among the trees. The children were a little bit afraid, although they were also curious.”
The UFO investigator goes on to record the testimonies of several of the children, who she says represented “a cross-section of Zimbabweans: black African children from several tribes, coloured children (a cross-breeding of black and white), Asian children (whose grandparents were from India) and white children, mostly Zimbabwean-born, but whose parents were either from South Africa or Britain”.
Although they all came from wealthy families (tuition at Ariel School was expensive), Hind believed their cultural differences gave rise to differing interpretations of the event, and that the differences in interpretation made the details that were common to all accounts very compelling indeed.
One of the white students, for example, “thought at first that the little man in black might have been Mrs Stevens’ gardener, but then he saw that the figure had long, straight black hair, ‘not really like [a] black [person’s] hair’, so he realised he had made a mistake!”
Some of the black children thought the short little beings were zvikwambo, or tokoloshes – the evil goblins of Shona and Ndebele folklore – and burst into tears, fearing they would be eaten.
Guy G said: “ could see the little man (about a metre tall) was dressed in a black, shiny suit; that he had long black hair and his eyes, which seemed lower on the cheek than our eyes, were large and elongated. The mouth was just a slit and the ears were hardly discernible.”
It was a very hot day, haze and heat can make people see all sorts of crap. Especially among children. My 8 year old sees a wasp and by the time he's finished explaining what he saw, it was the size of a small dog with fangs.
For all we know, it could have been from what they saw in a TV show or read from a book or saw in a movie.
The point is, this is not proof that aliens exist.
Which is exactly the point I was making to Randwolf, which you then denied and called me a liar about, only to then go and post this as proof of aliens.
Magical Realist
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A hot day doesn't make 62 children hallucinate the same thing at the same time. It just doesn't happen. Harvard psychologist John Mack, who specializes in child psychology, interviewed many of these children and could tell they weren't making this up. They even drew pictures. Here's some of them:
Sure it does. There have been plenty of cases of groups of people who saw something, got together, then convinced themselves en masse that they saw something completely different. It's one reason that investigators separate witnesses as quickly as possible - so this exact phenomenon doesn't happen.
Medjugorje, Fatima apparition, etc.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. - Arthur C Clarke
The sad thing is... this sub-forum is perfectly "discussable" within the rules set forth... you simply dislike the idea of having to provide some shred of evidence for your crackpot claims...
Magical Realist
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There have been plenty more cases of people who saw something, and all gave similar accounts of the same thing because they saw the same thing. Happens everyday in fact. We call it the news.
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Magical Realist
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They certainly saw something extraordinary. The later interpretation of it being the Virgin Mary? Not so sure about that.
Lots of people have seen the Harry Potter movies, that doesn't make them real.
Bells
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There are records of this happening.
The Fatima apparitions, for example, had thousands of Catholic people convinced that the Virgin Mary was making the sun dance in the sky. That they had been sitting in a field, packed in tightly in the heat of July was apparently beside the point. They were convinced that those 3 children had seen the Virgin Mary and were expecting a sun miracle and surprise surprise, after sitting in that field where they were all gathered, they saw the sun dance.
Does that mean the sun did dance? No, because for many others there, they saw nothing untoward, except for thousands of people falling to their knees praying fervently.
Would such a thing have happened in winter, for example, where they were sitting in the hot sun for hours? Probably not. There is a reason why such apparitions always happen when it is hot and people have been gathered in said sun.
Firstly, John Mack was a psychiatrist, not a psychologist.
Secondly, Dr Mack never said he believed them. Just that they warranted further and deeper study, especially when it came to those who claimed to have been abducted, which is what Mack mostly focused on. It was others who claimed that Mack believed them. He demanded further scrutiny. Not blind faith and acceptance.
Now, can you differentiate between what you do and what Mack says?
Also, Mack directly contradicts what you have posted in that he believed they were visual experiences (ie visions) and not real aliens as you try to push on this site:
Mack noted that there was a worldwide history of visionary experiences, especially in pre-industrial societies. One example is the vision quest common to some Native American cultures. Only fairly recently in Western culture, notes Mack, have such visionary events been interpreted as aberrations or as mental illness. Mack suggested that abduction accounts might best be considered as part of this larger tradition of visionary encounters.
His interest in the spiritual or transformational aspects of people's alien encounters, and his suggestion that the experience of alien contact itself may be more transcendent than physical in nature—yet nonetheless real—set him apart from many of his contemporaries, such as Budd Hopkins, who advocated the physical reality of aliens.
His interest in the spiritual or transformational aspects of people's alien encounters, and his suggestion that the experience of alien contact itself may be more transcendent than physical in nature—yet nonetheless real—set him apart from many of his contemporaries, such as Budd Hopkins, who advocated the physical reality of aliens.
Could there? What do you base that on? What evidence do you have that "other dimensions" even exist?
How do you know this?
You keep asking "who knows?", followed by claims that you know something. You should probably start thinking about how you know what you think you know.
Definitely; it certainly doesn't always happen. However, the fact that a lot of people all said they saw something is not proof that it happened - especially if they get a chance to collaborate to agree on what they saw. Your claim that "It just doesn't happen." is provably false.
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