A logical Republican
- Thread starter Syzygys
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What is the point?
Sam, google "logical republican" and you will get this thread as first hit!
So I am the #1 logical Republican! Feel free to ask anything....
Also, Gany, would you stop posting huge quotes from others, specially when they are offtopic? Thanks...
Ganymede
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What is the point?
Sam, google "logical republican" and you will get this thread as first hit!
So I am the #1 logical Republican! Feel free to ask anything....
Also, Gany, would you stop posting huge quotes from others, specially when they are offtopic? Thanks...
Yessa Massa!
Aren't Republicans "tough on crime"? There could be an angle there to get votes. Sure, blacks commit a disproportionate amount of crime, but then again most of it is against other blacks (80%? or there abouts?). Those victims must be just as pissed off about high rates of crime as anyone else, or more so. :shrug:
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Depends on the crime. Are we talking all crime, or just "street" crimes? More people are effected everyday from corporate crimminals then they're by "street" crimminals.
Traditionally, the Dems get the black votes, and it looks like the Reps and everybody else takes this for granted, so much so that the Reps never really tried to get the black vote.
My reasoning for this is these:
1. It is relative easy to disenfranchise the black voter, because there are so many in prison, and they don't sign up when they move, etc.
2. I think black people vote less than other groups.
3. It looks like the Reps are going for the Latino vote now. With this immigration law they sure got their hearts. Also Latinos outnumber blacks since last year.
My reasoning for this is these:
1. It is relative easy to disenfranchise the black voter, because there are so many in prison, and they don't sign up when they move, etc.
2. I think black people vote less than other groups.
3. It looks like the Reps are going for the Latino vote now. With this immigration law they sure got their hearts. Also Latinos outnumber blacks since last year.
True, but if Syzygys represents the corporates, I'm sure he'd rather have less attention paid to corporate crime.
Ganymede
Valued Senior Member
Blacks are arrested at a higher rate then whites, for committing the same crimes. Here's proof.
The disproportionate rates at which black drug offenders are sent to prison originate in racially disproportionate rates of arrest.72 Contrary to public belief, the higher arrest rates of black drug offenders do not reflect higher rates of drug law violations. Whites, in fact, commit more drug crimes than blacks. But the war on drugs has been waged in ways that have had the foreseeable consequence of disproportionately targeting black drug offenders.
The war on drugs precipitated soaring arrests of drug offenders and increasing racial disproportions among the arrestees. Blacks had long been arrested for drug offenses at higher rates than whites. Throughout the 1970s, for example, blacks were approximately twice as likely as whites to be arrested for drug-related offenses. By 1988, however, with national anti-drug efforts in full force, blacks were arrested on drug charges at five times the rate of whites.73 Nationwide, blacks constituted 37 percent of all drug arrestees;74 in large urban areas, blacks constituted 53 percent of all drug arrestees.75
Even greater disparities in drug offender arrest rates have been documented in individual states. For example, Human Rights Watch's analysis of drug arrests by race in the state of Georgia for the years 1990-1995 revealed that, relative to their share of the population, blacks were arrested for cocaine offenses at seventeen times the rate of whites.76 In Minnesota, drug arrests of blacks grew 500 percent during the 1980s, compared with 22 percent for whites.77 In North Carolina, between 1984 and 1989, minority arrests for drugs increased 183 percent compared to a 36 percent increase in white drug arrests.78
http://www.hrw.org/reports/2000/usa/Rcedrg00-05.htm
According to the Census report, turnout rates for Blacks overall were 60 percent, compared to 65 percent for Whites. While the increase in turnout over the last Presidential Election for Black youth between the ages of 18 and 24 was higher than that of White youth, Black and White youth are voting at essentially the same rate (47 percent). Asian and Hispanic youth trail far behind at about 34 percent.
http://www.prleap.com/pr/8765/
3.
One right Hypothises out of three. Not bad
Once arrested, their convection rate is also much higher and their release on parole is lower.
Here is the Republican's guide to How to disenfranchise the black voter and steal the election:
(by a BBC journalist)
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/24/justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/
"Caging works like this. Hundreds of thousands of Black and Hispanic voters were sent letters — do not forward. Letters returned as undeliverable (”caged”) were used as evidence the voter didn’t live at their registered address. The GOP goons challenged these voters’ right to cast ballots — and their votes were lost.
But whose letters were caged? Here’s where the game turns to deep evil. They targeted Black students on vacation, homeless men — and you’ll love this — Black soldiers sent overseas. They weren’t living at their home voting address because they were shivering under a Humvee in Falluja."
"In 2000, I cracked the computer disks (CD-ROMs then) from Katherine Harris’ office showing 56,000 names of voters “purged” from voter rolls as felons who aren’t allowed to vote. In fact, every one — every one — was an innocent voter, though most were guilty of VWB — Voting While Black. That was the 2000 “purge.”
In 2004, it was nearly identical. Except, instead of calling voters “felons,” they called them “suspect” voters, fraudulently using a false voting address. The effect was the same: the voter would lose their registration; or their vote on election day when they showed to vote; or, in the case of soldiers, their absentee ballot would be challenged and tossed."
(by a BBC journalist)
http://www.10zenmonkeys.com/2007/05/24/justice-department-scandal-greg-palast/
"Caging works like this. Hundreds of thousands of Black and Hispanic voters were sent letters — do not forward. Letters returned as undeliverable (”caged”) were used as evidence the voter didn’t live at their registered address. The GOP goons challenged these voters’ right to cast ballots — and their votes were lost.
But whose letters were caged? Here’s where the game turns to deep evil. They targeted Black students on vacation, homeless men — and you’ll love this — Black soldiers sent overseas. They weren’t living at their home voting address because they were shivering under a Humvee in Falluja."
"In 2000, I cracked the computer disks (CD-ROMs then) from Katherine Harris’ office showing 56,000 names of voters “purged” from voter rolls as felons who aren’t allowed to vote. In fact, every one — every one — was an innocent voter, though most were guilty of VWB — Voting While Black. That was the 2000 “purge.”
In 2004, it was nearly identical. Except, instead of calling voters “felons,” they called them “suspect” voters, fraudulently using a false voting address. The effect was the same: the voter would lose their registration; or their vote on election day when they showed to vote; or, in the case of soldiers, their absentee ballot would be challenged and tossed."
Thats pretty sick, if true.
Gany, you are an you silly muffin. (I moderated myself.)
YOU basicly PROVE my points, then you are saying that I was only right 1 out of 3. By the way for the 3rd which you agree with you don't provide evidence.
Thank you. Exactly my point. More blacks in prisons, less Democratic voters.
Thank you,exactly MY point. I am happy we agree on ALL 3 facts!
YOU basicly PROVE my points, then you are saying that I was only right 1 out of 3. By the way for the 3rd which you agree with you don't provide evidence.
Thank you. Exactly my point. More blacks in prisons, less Democratic voters.
Thank you,exactly MY point. I am happy we agree on ALL 3 facts!
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At least Republicans are committed and good at math. You only have to target a few key states. In 2000 it was Florida, in 2004 it was Ohio. Most of the states are either red or blue, but a few states make or break the election. So you just apply math and decide just how many votes you need to steal to win.
Since some of these states had very close results, a few 10K votes is all it takes....
Hey, I thought I would explain how big oil manipulates the price of gas, so it would be the most favorable to Republicans:
"The oil industry has been a solid backer of Republicans for many years, giving 80-90 percent of its campaign contributions to GOP candidates-particularly during the two Bush terms. What Hamilton discovered is that this support hasn't just been limited to campaign contributions. In fact, the oil industry appears to have clearly tried to minimize voter anger at Republicans late during the election cycle by pushing prices at the pump down just ahead of the voting. In the period 2000-2006, Hamilton found that each non-federal election year-2001, 2003 and 2005, gasoline prices didn't decline during the month of October, but each of the election years-2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006-they fell, with the most dramatic drop coming in October 2006-a period when crude oil prices were rising sharply. Each time, gasoline prices rose again quickly right after the election was over."
http://counterpunch.org/lindorff05082007.html
"The oil industry has been a solid backer of Republicans for many years, giving 80-90 percent of its campaign contributions to GOP candidates-particularly during the two Bush terms. What Hamilton discovered is that this support hasn't just been limited to campaign contributions. In fact, the oil industry appears to have clearly tried to minimize voter anger at Republicans late during the election cycle by pushing prices at the pump down just ahead of the voting. In the period 2000-2006, Hamilton found that each non-federal election year-2001, 2003 and 2005, gasoline prices didn't decline during the month of October, but each of the election years-2000, 2002, 2004 and 2006-they fell, with the most dramatic drop coming in October 2006-a period when crude oil prices were rising sharply. Each time, gasoline prices rose again quickly right after the election was over."
http://counterpunch.org/lindorff05082007.html
Is the current scandal involving Gonzales and political firings in the Justice Department related in any way to voting manipulation?
No.
Funny fact: It was goody shoes Goodling's idea to cover up the sculpture's breast in the time of Ashcroft. Gonzales actually unveiled it againt...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4623239.stm
Funny fact: It was goody shoes Goodling's idea to cover up the sculpture's breast in the time of Ashcroft. Gonzales actually unveiled it againt...
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4623239.stm
Goodling did mention Republican caging lists during her testimony.
Hey people, I thought I would explain "homegrown" terrorism, aka the latest boogieman:
Homegrown terrorism is pretty much non-existent with a very little exaggeration, but we like you to think otherwise. Here is an article explaining the tricks, the best part is when the government informant gives ideas to the so called (usually clueless) terrorgroup:
http://counterpunch.com/colson05212007.html
In short, we use these stories to keep you in a permanent state of fear. Although logically this undermines the "we fight them in Iraq so they don't follow us home" excuse, but the media is in our hands, so they will never point this out. (Except some comedians...)
Homegrown terrorism is pretty much non-existent with a very little exaggeration, but we like you to think otherwise. Here is an article explaining the tricks, the best part is when the government informant gives ideas to the so called (usually clueless) terrorgroup:
http://counterpunch.com/colson05212007.html
In short, we use these stories to keep you in a permanent state of fear. Although logically this undermines the "we fight them in Iraq so they don't follow us home" excuse, but the media is in our hands, so they will never point this out. (Except some comedians...)
I think I already mentioned that the US will stay in Iraq for DECADES.
Pres. Bush finally agrees:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3041621320070530?pageNumber=1
Pres. Bush finally agrees:
http://www.reuters.com/article/politicsNews/idUSN3041621320070530?pageNumber=1