A Guy Dies And Experiences Both Hell and Heaven -- Real Thought-Provoking Testimony

People who have god on the brain will find it absolutely anywhere... including nowhere.
 
Yes, god is fantasy just like hell. I'm tired of religious freaks forcing their mindsets on the weaker of the people. It's like those pretending to care about humanity when all they're doing is trying to convert the hungary and poor in Africa.
 
Typical reaction of a brain under stress, looking for a way out of a life threatening predicament, coupled with a huge dose of neuro toxins, carrying a lot of guilt and scared shitless.
 
For this to really provoke thought, I would have to see the testimony of a person that saw heaven and hell, and that heaven and hell were not part of their culture to begin with. Another obvious factor is the nature of jellyfish poison, it could provoke hallucinations.
 
When I was living on my own at 18 I had a conversation with Jesus... I was suffering from a severe case of what I believe may have been food poisoning and he was sitting in a chair in my apartment just shooting the shit with me. A little later on God dropped by and took me by the hand and we flew over these fields of ambrosia that I can still remember swaying in the breeze. I remember thinking that I might be dying so I asked the Lord if this is what its like. He said it was. Next thing I know I'm back in my room and I swear I'm levitating above my bed, onto which I was slowly lowered to.

That did it, from my sweat drenched delirium I managed to get out of bed feeling incredibly nauseous. Jesus was no longer there, God had buggered off and I was staggering towards the bathroom and just as I made it thru the door I did the old fire hose barf spray all over the place. Try cleaning that up when you're sick as a dog and its 4 a.m.

Anyway I thought the experience with the holy pair was quite interesting but I wasn't sharp enough to realize I could go out and make a few bucks at it on the gospel circuit. I was an atheist then and I remain one today. I think my NDE was more a result of a pizza with pepperoni and mushrooms (possibly of the magic variety).
 
It is impressive how sane he sounded. That was a long video, how many watched it all? I skipped thru some of it. Experiences like these are hard to dismiss out of hand. One thing that rings true is that God requires us to be more than we are, to be better. Atheists call religion a safety blanket or warm fuzzy and this is just more proof that it is so far from that. The wager of sin is death.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
Typical reaction of a brain under stress, looking for a way out of a life threatening predicament, coupled with a huge dose of neuro toxins, carrying a lot of guilt and scared shitless.
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You might be right, but youre speculating out of your arse and you know it.
We really dont know what causes 'near death' experiences to be triggered in some but not in others, why they happen atall, and why reoccuring themes crop up within these experiences.
 
heliocentric said:
You might be right, but youre speculating out of your arse and you know it.
We really dont know what causes 'near death' experiences to be triggered in some but not in others, why they happen atall, and why reoccuring themes crop up within these experiences.
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Have you done a survey of people who have been clinically dead? People already have an implanted notion of the afterlife, so it is only expected that many would claim an afterlife experience if they have been 'dead'. If 1% of people considered dead provide popular details of something, then you would be ignoring the other 99% who report nothing. Just because there is similarity between the 1% means nothing. There is also a lot of similarity between 'victims of alien abduction'.

Even if they are not deliberately embelishing dreamlike states withing the brain at the beginning of death, then we have to assume that the brain during death does in fact display hallucinigentic states as the shuts down the conciousness we are familiar with.

The likely scenerario is the best explanation in rationalism, and I'm afraid that an afterlife is not the best explanation, especially if the brain never dies in the cases in which witnesses provide details (faked, hallucinogenic or otherwise).

The very fact that people want to believe these accounts, pretty much shows that people will be willing to fake accounts of it in the first place.
 
Fire said:
Have you done a survey of people who have been clinically dead? People already have an implanted notion of the afterlife, so it is only expected that many would claim an afterlife experience if they have been 'dead'. If 1% of people considered dead provide popular details of something, then you would be ignoring the other 99% who report nothing. Just because there is similarity between the 1% means nothing.
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I have read surveys spanning different ages/nationalities/cultures. Yes people's upbringing inform parts of the experiences no question, there are also parts of the experiences which everyone experiences regardless of their culture/class/beliefs.
Im not sure where youre pulling up those percentages from btw.


There is also a lot of similarity between 'victims of alien abduction'.

Even if they are not deliberately embelishing dreamlike states withing the brain at the beginning of death, then we have to assume that the brain during death does in fact display hallucinigentic states as the shuts down the conciousness we are familiar with.
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Well we cant really assume that seeing as there is a number of very credible reports of OBE/NDE's while brain dead.
I guess you could assume that the brain really *was* functioning in those instances and someone must have made an error, but that seems alittle too presumptious to me. I think we need alot more studies in this area to really state with any kind of accuracy what is actually happening.
Should we really simply assume that the brain is tricking us when we experience something beyond the familiar? again i think we really need to understand how and why these experiences happen before we decide.

The very fact that people want to believe these accounts, pretty much shows that people will be willing to fake accounts of it in the first place.
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I dont think it really matters if a small section of people are faking these experiences to be honest, it is still a known and accepted type of human experience either way.
 
helio said:
it is still a known and accepted type of human experience either way.
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yes, but only by the gullible, the more reasoned mind, see it correctly.
 
Shaitan said:
yes, but only by the gullible, the more reasoned mind, see it correctly.
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You dont have any clear reasoning youre simply believing what you choose to believe and calling it reasoned.
The data leans both ways at this point, and there havent been nearly enough studies in this area yet to afford to be glib about it.
 
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