No, for I always thought all the money went in their direction.
I think you may have performed a miracle.
A Challenge to Theists
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No, for I always thought all the money went in their direction.
I think you may have performed a miracle.
That was my conclusion too. It was not Me . It had to be a higher power and not there pimp either. He was not anywhere to be found on that cold day at the lake . I would think if there pimp knew he would have beat there ? You know how pimps can be . They don't go for that kind of behavior out of there working girls.
Let us not leap to ultimate conclusions.
Hookers are people, too, and can be kind.
We really need some better 'proofs'.
Yeah I know ! Sorry Any of you hookers out there. You know I love you .
Thinking? Might have to see what tomorrow brings. I will consult the dream weavers tonight.
Why should the people who believe in God prove to you that he exists?
Really - on the grounds of what do you think they owe it to you to prove God's existence to you?
Do you know what "spiritual envy" is?
Google it.
Boy, have you got an attitude!
I emphatize with your frustration and share it. But being bitchy like you are isn't going to accomplish much.
Thoreau
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It is about you.
It's not about just any person, it's about you.
Your current values, beliefs, goals, intentions, attitudes, circumstances.
Proof does not occur in a vacuum.
Stop thinking so much about what other people believe or don't believe, and instead focus on what you believe or don't believe.
Thoreau
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I know exactly what I believe. Its because I'm confident and comfortable with my beliefs that I am able to openly inquire about the beliefs of others.
Yeah, strangers on the internet really are people whose beliefs you are deeply interested in ...
If you really "know exactly what you believe" and you're really "confident and comfortable with your beliefs", then there is no question, except 1. if you're really interested in getting to know people (which doesn't seem to be the case here, because you're asking generalized quesitons about theists as such), or 2. you have an actual philosophical inquiry, but are not framing it as such.
Thoreau
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Well, if you read my previous posts and the main question it contains, you'll see the inquiry is "framed" or structured appropriately. Its an honest question that can't be asked any other way. So, I will repeat myself for 4th time and ask 'Why do most theist present the existence of God as a fact instead of acknowledging the possibility that God may not, in fact, exist? Again, a simple yet precise question, one of which you've ignored and have instead attempted to analyze the inquirer and not the inquiry.
Because they don't have the same doubts as you.
Thoreau
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Obviosuly. But what evidence do they have to make such a huge claim that god is not just a possibility but a reality? Because they've been told so? If I told you that I've talked to beings from another galaxy would you believe me or would you require proof? Obviously we would require evidence. So, why do we not require the same level of proof from theists?
Boy, have you got an attitude!
I emphatize with your frustration and share it. But being bitchy like you are isn't going to accomplish much.
Oh that is funny!!! I don't think it is a good idea to teach children things like that. Might come back to haunt you. Oh I am still laughing though
THE UNIVERSAL ACID…
As a boy in Dan Dennet’s chemistry class, I wondered, as did many, about the following scenario often dreamt of: I mixed two compounds, which, unfortunately, produced the ultimate acid. Nothing could contain it. It quickly ate though the container, the floor of the laboratory, and then even all the way through the Earth, eventually sloshing some poor sap in China.
This, too is what happens to us, through education, as our chemical-bio-electric nature is revealed to us, like some kind of giant shock, after which we may never be the same again, as perhaps some are now reeling from, well, maybe just a little bit.
The biochemical mush that is us, when fully realized, leaves us stunned and astounded. We grasp for what we once thought we were before, but, it eludes us in the new light of learning. The universal acid of such knowledge eats through all superstitions, folk tales, and myths. Nothing can contain it. We may come to even regret our learnings of this condition, for it dissolves our container, leaving us floundering in the lurch.
It happened to me, too, beginning in fifth grade, in Catholic shcool.
But, wait, it’s not so bad, is it, for what we are is what we are, and we still have feelings, personality, and more adventures of learning that await. The light of education ever shines brightly, wherever it may lead. Many dark alleys remain to be explored, given our new insights into the human condition.
As a boy in Dan Dennet’s chemistry class, I wondered, as did many, about the following scenario often dreamt of: I mixed two compounds, which, unfortunately, produced the ultimate acid. Nothing could contain it. It quickly ate though the container, the floor of the laboratory, and then even all the way through the Earth, eventually sloshing some poor sap in China.
This, too is what happens to us, through education, as our chemical-bio-electric nature is revealed to us, like some kind of giant shock, after which we may never be the same again, as perhaps some are now reeling from, well, maybe just a little bit.
The biochemical mush that is us, when fully realized, leaves us stunned and astounded. We grasp for what we once thought we were before, but, it eludes us in the new light of learning. The universal acid of such knowledge eats through all superstitions, folk tales, and myths. Nothing can contain it. We may come to even regret our learnings of this condition, for it dissolves our container, leaving us floundering in the lurch.
It happened to me, too, beginning in fifth grade, in Catholic shcool.
But, wait, it’s not so bad, is it, for what we are is what we are, and we still have feelings, personality, and more adventures of learning that await. The light of education ever shines brightly, wherever it may lead. Many dark alleys remain to be explored, given our new insights into the human condition.
Then ask them. Ask them directly.
Send out invitations to all the theists on this board and ask them about this.
Ask -
"SAM, what evidence do you have to make such a huge claim that god is not just a possibility but a reality?"
"Adstar, what evidence do you have to make such a huge claim that god is not just a possibility but a reality?"
"Lightgigantic, what evidence do you have to make such a huge claim that god is not just a possibility but a reality?"
and so on.
Unless you were my friend, relative, boss or otherwise relevant to me, I wouldn't care.
I don't know. Why don't you?
(or did you mean to ask - "So, why may we not require the same level of proof from theists?")
Ask them.