911 Investigation

[duendy]

YESi very much DO believe , as well as planes, that explosives were used. along with ALL theothe clues you and yer colleagues blinkered visions fail to keep even in peripheral vision, i SHO do do

all you seem to be able to do is rather side with immoral war mongering liars who -- EVEN if it WASproven explosives weren't planted which is VERY doubtful, in not only MY opinion--have lied to illegal war, as has theirlackies the media, THAN with a fireman. And not only him, but others, and membersofthe police who claim to have heard explosives. Thermite could havebeen specifically used for te steel core support, ad the links i've give including pictures show. also thewre is the mathematical caluclation of how quick the buildings collapsed

can YOU explain the overwhelming occultic sinificance? which tends to disenfranchize this prticular pursuit as it points DIRECTLY at you-kow-who!

you all arrogantly imagine you are seriously challenging. not from where i am

 

[duendy]

'Flight 93', the film....?well thy HAD an online forum pushing its propaganda--the Official LIE. well So many people went on tere to protest against tis propaganda, i read to day they've had to close down the forum! see here 'Flight 93--Universal take down forum cause of protests about their goverment propaganda http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2006/040506admitsdefeat.htm

and for tose living near or able to get to LA...to seriously challenge the 911 the movement. heres ya chance
'Major New 9/11 Truth Symposium Coming to LA' http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/may2006/060506truthsympoium.htm

 

[Alejandro]

duendy your soiling this prestigious forum with quotes and links from certified aholes, thanks for that.

 

[duendy]

duendy your soiling this prestigious forum with quotes and links from certified aholes, thanks for that.

grow up!

 

[leopold]

all you seem to be able to do is rather side with immoral war mongering liars who

duendy you have some nerve telling me i side with liars
what about your fireman duendy? hmm?

even steve jones would not answer the questions i posed to him
yes he answered the one about the explosives but not the one about why the collapse initiated at the impact site.

duendy it is YOU that needs to get a grip
and attacking me the person does your argument no good

myself and others have soundly refuted everything that you have posted but yet we are siding with liars.

 

[duendy]

duendy you have some nerve telling me i side with liars
what about your fireman duendy? hmm?

me))))))but you steadfastedly believe all the offical story....don't you? if not, which parts do you have doubts about..??

even steve jones would not answer the questions i posed to him

me))))))Did you foreward to here te reponse from scholarsfor 911 truth? ...howlong ago did you email Steve Jones? and anyone else?

yes he answered the one about the explosives but not the one about why the collapse initiated at the impact site.

me))))))can you NOT put his reply into tis thread for us all to see. you may be a...L I A R! how do we know?

duendy it is YOU that needs to get a grip
and attacking me the person does your argument no good

me))))))how am i attacking you? and in actuality dont be a hypocrite. YOUR attacking a fireman's integrity arn't you.

myself and others have soundly refuted everything that you have posted but yet we are siding with liars.

'soundly refuted' errr i do not think so. and you keep keep keep forgetting to respond aboutthe CRUCIAL CRUCIAl clue--te OCCULTIC SYMBOLIC SIGNATURE all over 9/11 etc, which really towers over the 'smaller' clues. don't you think?

you are really NO WAY refuting......!

 

[leopold]

DUENDY I AM NOT REPEAT AM NOT INTO THE OCCULT ANGLE OF 911

it's no wonder people say what they do about you

i am not calling that fireman a liar the documentary is

and about the email unfortunatly my os crashed and i had to do a reinstall and the email went down the tubes

if you want to believe in witches and goblins thats fine but i feel it is being disrespectfull of the victims families for you to apply such nonsense to the events of 911

i have read and seen numerous accounts of jet fuel spilling down the elevator shafts and the elevator doors being blown off by exploding jet fuel.
this fireman of yours uses the elevator??? :bugeye:

 

[spuriousmonkey]

and about the email unfortunatly my os crashed and i had to do a reinstall and the email went down the tubes

See! The illuminati will go through great lengths to hide the truth from the public.

 

[shaman_]

me)))))))ohhhh sigh sigh siiiiiigh. it dontmean it WASN@t neither. in fact it more POINTS to a bomb than not...? also if ya read what he said. he suggested it LOOKED like a bomb's effects too.
ie., 'so far from plane impact'

Where does he say that it looked like a bomb?

The key quotes from the article I read are

"and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator."

"“I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it’s hard to tell, but I’m thinking, ‘Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!’"

He heard an explosion that sounded like a bomb. From where he was at the time it probably did. Camera footage and people in better positions do not confirm bombs going off. You are clinging to the single testimony of a man who doesn't even sound sure of himself.

me)))i have BOTH. You have NEITHER

I have no evidence? Did you notice the jet planes crashing into the buildings?! Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F and at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F. The steel loses it's strength and the building starts to collapse. You don't need imaginary bombs or your absurd thermite theory to bring the buildings down.

* - Figures taken from http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html.

me)))First. how teheck do you KNOW what those reading this tread really think? all of a sudde your a mindreader....too?

My comment was based on the responses in this thread. No mind reading necessary. No one has supported you occult theory.

and it is completely obvious you are in total denial about thi, or you wouldn't exose you own lack of unerstanding to tese proceedings. and also important. you seem to place great emphass on 'education'--showing again your unacknowledged naiveity. forthis so-called education you brag about is EXACTLY a dumbing DOWN. Not REAl education. what we are doing--well what i amencouraging in this thread is real education. real exploration and investigation....i fear tough you wont understand this neither. just come back with inanity.

My comments about education were in regard to the maths involved in manipulating numbers/dates/flight numbers/counting days/counting letters ect. I can only assume you have not done a lot of maths otherwise you wouldn't be so dazzled by these magic equations.

ps......it is not ONLY ABOUT the number '11' alto tat number is most undoubtedly undergirding the whole of the 9/11 horror. there are other 'power numbers' and symbolic meanings etc

I am well aware of the other numerolgy involved duendy. I wasn't going to mention it all there. The rest is equally foolish.

Oh you donthalf pre-sume dont you?? no itis NOT forgotten. by your limited approach maybe, but not mine nor othe SERIOUS questioners. not ones like you who retreat thru denial and want 'safe' closure...!

Your thermite theory was shot down a few pages ago. If you are still desperately holding on to this and the the occult link then it is clear who is in denial.

 

[duendy]

DUENDY I AM NOT REPEAT AM NOT INTO THE OCCULT ANGLE OF 911

me))))WELL THEN YOU ARE NOT I REPEAT, N O T, INTERESTED IN A REALLY SERIOUS DEEP INVESTIGATION OF THIS VERY SERIOUS INVESTIGATION! so why you here??

it's no wonder people say what they do about you

me))))))and you are a conformist. conformists follow. they daren't LOOK!

i am not calling that fireman a liar the documentary is

me))))))You said the docu didn't MENTION the fireman, so how can they call 'him' a liar?....and why haven't you answerewd me about te ofical story. ie., if you believe EVERYTHING they claim. as per usual you duck nd dive

and about the email unfortunatly my os crashed and i had to do a reinstall and the email went down the tubes

me)))))yeah....SURE!

if you want to believe in witches and goblins thats fine but i feel it is being disrespectfull of the victims families for you to apply such nonsense to the events of 911

me)))ohhh piss off you clown. If ANYONE is being disrespctful to the victims families, many who have been utterly distraughtbecause of being ABUSED byte official barriers to finding out what really happened it is YOUR BLIND complicity WITH that very story

i have read and seen numerous accounts of jet fuel spilling down the elevator shafts and the elevator doors being blown off by exploding jet fuel.
this fireman of yours uses the elevator??? :bugeye:

Ad I have presented numerous accounts...'PRESENTED@ ' in is thread numerous accounts that point to explosives, OCCULT SYMBOLISM---etc, which you cannot even understand nor absorb. in total denial as you are about this.

 

[duendy]

Where does he say that it looked like a bomb?

The key quotes from the article I read are

"and no sooner did the elevators close behind us, we heard this huge explosion that sounded like a bomb. It was such a loud noise, it knocked off the lights and stalled the elevator."

"“I somehow got into the stairwell and there were more people there. When I began to try and direct down, another huge explosion like the first one hits. This one hits about two minutes later, although it’s hard to tell, but I’m thinking, ‘Oh. My God, these bastards put bombs in here like they did in 1993!’"

me))))oh god, go look again. where he implied floor looked like a bomb had his it so 'FAR from plane impact'---far above??

He heard an explosion that sounded like a bomb. From where he was at the time it probably did. Camera footage and people in better positions do not confirm bombs going off. You are clinging to the single testimony of a man who doesn't even sound sure of himself.

me)))))))you arebeyond belief you people. you just make it up as you go along......i have again and again presenrted LINKS, not words words words like your famous for, where professional peple said they suspected bomba. remember Lieutenant Issaaac. and he said they were fearful to say anything cause o the 'higer ups'. you dont abosorb like leopold etc etc. this is why discussin wid u is a bit like pullin TEETH!

I have no evidence? Did you notice the jet planes crashing into the buildings?! Jet fuel burns at 800° to 1500°F, Steel loses about 50 percent of its strength at 1100°F and at 1800° it is probably at less than 10 percent. NIST reports that pockets of fire hit 1832°F. The steel loses it's strength and the building starts to collapse. You don't need imaginary bombs or your absurd thermite theory to bring the buildings down.

me)))))again. just a pile of regurgitated words that means precisely nothing and it shows you haven't read ANY of the links i have provided that contradict your certainty. i just KNOW yo aint gonna search them out.
AND...errr WHAT ABOUT WTC7?? huh??

* - Figures taken from http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/defense/1227842.html.

me)))errrm did they mention about OCCULT SYMBOLISM by any chance...?!....who OWNS them?? who FUNDS them? ever wondered tpo ewven check that..........no? right

My comment was based on the responses in this thread. No mind reading necessary. No one has supported you occult theory.

me))))))hahah, obviously. but the reactions TO what i am putting out are hardly intelligent refutation. it is more childish fear. comon own up. you really don't want to LOOK do you?

My comments about education were in regard to the maths involved in manipulating numbers/dates/flight numbers/counting days/counting letters ect. I can only assume you have not done a lot of maths otherwise you wouldn't be so dazzled by these magic equations.

me))))examples please? and sources to back them up. oherwise as per usual itw just YOu mouthin orf


I am well aware of the other numerolgy involved duendy. I wasn't going to mention it all there. The rest is equally foolish.

me)))see what i mean. you couldn't be properly critical ifyourlife depended on it.

Your thermite theory was shot down a few pages ago. If you are still desperately holding on to this and the the occult link then it is clear who is in denial.

it was NOT sot down. in your DREAMSit as shot down.
shaman_ shaman_ seriously dude. what is you about. you just keep cming back and back with no meat on't you. you hafe ziltch to add or chalenge with. just empty words that prove to me you really dont want to seriously look at what is going on

there my be one chink in your hard armour. where you said you thought them finding that PASSPORT was dodgy?remember you sying that?....so explain, WHY was it dodgy?

 

[phlogistician]

On loud bangs that sound like explosions. In jet aircraft, there are fuel tanks in the wings. This is also where the undercarriage folds up during flight.

Now, anybody who has seen a car catch fire will know that after a while, the heat will cause the tyres to explode.

So, we can safely assume that some of the tyres (and there were ten in all) would have exploded, and that would explain at least some of the explosions. Of course, there are many other things that would have exploded, like the hydraulic system, as it is enclosed and pressurised (and the fluid is flammable), the undercarriage suspension (again being flammable fluid sealed in a tube).

So, lots of things that can go bang, no bombs necessary. Hell bbq charcoal pops and bangs, and that is not laced with explosives!

 

[shaman_]

me))))oh god, go look again. where he implied floor looked like a bomb had his it so 'FAR from plane impact'---far above??

Is this what you are referring to?

"I remember thinking to myself, my God, how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above. It didn’t make sense,” said Cacchioli."

Yes a lot of people were suprised that the planes did so much damage. That does not mean that there were bombs in the building! Even firemen don't have a lot of experience with 767's flying into skyscrapers!

me)))))))you arebeyond belief you people. you just make it up as you go along......i have again and again presenrted LINKS, not words words words like your famous for, where professional peple said they suspected bomba. remember Lieutenant Issaaac. and he said they were fearful to say anything cause o the 'higer ups'. you dont abosorb like leopold etc etc. this is why discussin wid u is a bit like pullin TEETH!

You have presented many links. As I have said you present quantity but no quality. Every time one gets debunked you just bring up another and try to divert attention from the poor evidence.

What is your best piece of evidence then? 11s?

me)))))again. just a pile of regurgitated words that means precisely nothing and it shows you haven't read ANY of the links i have provided that contradict your certainty. i just KNOW yo aint gonna search them out.

You can pretend all you want but they are facts duendy. Important ones too. You will do anything to avoid accepting them.

AND...errr WHAT ABOUT WTC7?? huh??

Another attempted divert. WTC7 collapsed due to physical damage and being on fire for 7 hours.

me)))errrm did they mention about OCCULT SYMBOLISM by any chance...?!....who OWNS them?? who FUNDS them? ever wondered tpo ewven check that..........no? right

The occult symbolism was not mentioned because it is irrelevant. Understand this duendy - No one seems to take the symbolism seriously.

e.g.
- September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
- Twin Towers =11 + Flight 11 + September, 11th = 33 In Freemasonry 33 is the highest degree there is.
- Flight 175 was also a Boeing 767-200. This aircraft hit the South Tower. 1 + 7 + 5 = 13.
-The eighth '11' is formed by one of the doomed flights, where the crew totaled '11'.
-North Twin Tower of the World Trade Center was 110 stories tall [11 x 10]
-"New York City" has 11 letters

Can't you see that this is meaningless? With enough stats, dates, measuments, passengers ect you can manipulate anything to make one of the many illuminati numbers.

me))))))hahah, obviously. but the reactions TO what i am putting out are hardly intelligent refutation. it is more childish fear. comon own up. you really don't want to LOOK do you?

Fear has nothing to do with it. The evidence does not stand up to any scrutiny. You just don't want to see this.

me))))examples please? and sources to back them up. oherwise as per usual itw just YOu mouthin orf

What evidence are you asking for? We are discussing your articles! Do you want me to show you some examples of simple mathematics?

it was NOT sot down. in your DREAMSit as shot down.
shaman_ shaman_ seriously dude. what is you about. you just keep cming back and back with no meat on't you. you hafe ziltch to add or chalenge with. just empty words that prove to me you really dont want to seriously look at what is going on

there my be one chink in your hard armour. where you said you thought them finding that PASSPORT was dodgy?remember you sying that?....so explain, WHY was it dodgy?

Duendy there are others here who don't believe the whole official story. I don't completely trust the U.S government. However the bombs, thermite and numerology are all much less convincing.

 

[duendy]

Is this what you are referring to?

"I remember thinking to myself, my God, how could this be happening so quickly if a plane hit way above. It didn’t make sense,” said Cacchioli."

Yes a lot of people were suprised that the planes did so much damage. That does not mean that there were bombs in the building! Even firemen don't have a lot of experience with 767's flying into skyscrapers!

me))))))not as much as YOU it appears/knowit all--know nuthin!

You have presented many links. As I have said you present quantity but no quality. Every time one gets debunked you just bring up another and try to divert attention from the poor evidence.

me)))rubbish. shit, i dont think YOU--never mind this 'everybody e;lse' you keep hiding behind--ewven read them. you certainly do not absorb them, and understand tem,and offer NO intelligent refutation whatsoever. you aslo dont provide any sources yourself. VERY few. just superficial defensive reactions you believe is great debate----in your little world that is.

What is your best piece of evidence then? 11s?
You can pretend all you want but they are facts duendy. Important ones too. You will do anything to avoid accepting them.

me)))bla bla bla. hot air means precisely hot air.

Another attempted divert. WTC7 collapsed due to physical damage and being on fire for 7 hours.

me))like you reveal you have not absorbed ANY of te info i have put out about that event. itis talkin to the blind and deaf and dumb debatng with you reall. have you no SHAME?? i'b be really embarassed......


The occult symbolism was not mentioned because it is irrelevant. Understand this duendy - No one seems to take the symbolism seriously.

me)))))here you are with 'noone' agin. who IStis 'noone'? there,s been about what 3-5 posting in tis forum, all of the same ilk as you. you mean THEM do you? hah
actually, the occultic signature is C E N T R A L CLUE, and not only to te strocity of 9/11 neither! did you hear me??....probabaly not. there's NOWT so blind as them that WON'T see

e.g.
- September 11th is the 254th day of the year: 2 + 5 + 4 = 11.
- Twin Towers =11 + Flight 11 + September, 11th = 33 In Freemasonry 33 is the highest degree there is.
- Flight 175 was also a Boeing 767-200. This aircraft hit the South Tower. 1 + 7 + 5 = 13.
-The eighth '11' is formed by one of the doomed flights, where the crew totaled '11'.
-North Twin Tower of the World Trade Center was 110 stories tall [11 x 10]
-"New York City" has 11 letters

Can't you see that this is meaningless? With enough stats, dates, measuments, passengers ect you can manipulate anything to make one of the many illuminati numbers.

me)))))))oh deeearrr. it's right thee but you cannot, will not see it. if ANYthingproves the point of how a secret can be seen and still remain 'secret' it is you and your buddies blindness and ignoreance about this PROFOUND clue.
Remember it was very YOU who asked me right at beginning of tis long thread about occultic symbolism. ITRY an explore tis wit you, and you arrogantly throw it in my face without even the ATTEMPT to understand. You seem to not have ANY insight. it is firghtening how dumbed down you appear. really. i of course am not sayting your brain damaged, like some people have said about me--wit SUCH charm. NO, i feel it is some psychological barrier preventing you taking this in.
It can in NO WAY be dismissed as just some coincidental numbers game.
Let me ask you---do you know the image of the pyramid SYMBOLism on the American One Dollar note? are you aware what it means? if so, can you explain it here please? Thankyou


Fear has nothing to do with it. The evidence does not stand up to any scrutiny. You just don't want to see this.

me))))no that is MY words to YOU. you've got it mixed up....

What evidence are you asking for? We are discussing your articles! Do you want me to show you some examples of simple mathematics?

me)))))))For example you DO know that the highest Freemasonic numbr is '33degree' don't you. why isn't it 53..?? or'21'.....get me? why is it 33? some people have CHOSEN THAT number haven't they? why? for what R E A S O N? huh??


Duendy there are others here who don't believe the whole official story. I don't completely trust the U.S government. However the bombs, thermite and numerology are all much less convincing.

yer a very mixed up young man is what you are

 

[duendy]

Leopold...on your behalf i sent your question to 100777.com and just noticed a reply in my prsonal mailbox, here it is--:

(before i begin tho. YOU will have to trawl above to find your question. i canny do EVERYtrhing fo ya!)

"HI,
I hope you are well and in good spirit.
Thank you for your message. I'm not sure I understand it "...the collapse initiated at impact?..."?
It ook a long time after the impact of the planes for the towers to come crashing down...
What am I misunderstanding I wonder?
Peace,
Steffan
100777.com

OK, i'll be your messenger-service---shoot.

 

[phlogistician]

Christ duendy, you really aren't a functioning adult at all, are you? This insistance on numerology when many and various other sums have provided no 'significant' numbers, yet you still pick and choose and concentrate on only that which furthers your agenda.

 

[shaman_]

me))))))not as much as YOU it appears/knowit all--know nuthin!

You are resorting to immature ad hominem as usual. Are you unable to address my comments?

me)))bla bla bla. hot air means precisely hot air.

If these are incorrect then please show me the correct properties of steel.

me)))))here you are with 'noone' agin. who IStis 'noone'? there,s been about what 3-5 posting in tis forum, all of the same ilk as you. you mean THEM do you? hah
actually, the occultic signature is C E N T R A L CLUE, and not only to te strocity of 9/11 neither! did you hear me??....probabaly not. there's NOWT so blind as them that WON'T see

Yes yes I am blind to the damning evidence

me)))))))oh deeearrr. it's right thee but you cannot, will not see it. if ANYthingproves the point of how a secret can be seen and still remain 'secret' it is you and your buddies blindness and ignoreance about this PROFOUND clue.
Remember it was very YOU who asked me right at beginning of tis long thread about occultic symbolism.

Yes it was me you kicked off this discussion. I was genuinely interested what you meant by that and had a good read of all the sources you provided. However it is all just nonsense. You did maths at school right?

ITRY an explore tis wit you, and you arrogantly throw it in my face without even the ATTEMPT to understand. You seem to not have ANY insight. it is firghtening how dumbed down you appear. really. i of course am not sayting your brain damaged, like some people have said about me--wit SUCH charm.

I don't think you are brain damaged. I don't even think you are stupid. Just gullible and deluded. Don't be offended, some brilliant people have been gullible and deluded.

NO, i feel it is some psychological barrier preventing you taking this in.
It can in NO WAY be dismissed as just some coincidental numbers game.
Let me ask you---do you know the image of the pyramid SYMBOLism on the American One Dollar note? are you aware what it means? if so, can you explain it here please? Thankyou

I have read about this before but it was a long time ago. I am not interested in discussing it here though as I don't think it has anything to do with 9/11.

me)))))))For example you DO know that the highest Freemasonic numbr is '33degree' don't you. why isn't it 53..?? or'21'.....get me? why is it 33? some people have CHOSEN THAT number haven't they? why? for what R E A S O N? huh??

Again, this has nothing to do with 9/11.

Discussing numerolgy is not getting us anywhere because you actually think it is significant that there were 110 floors on the towers and New York City has 11 letters ect ect. (Yes I know there are more than just those). You are seeing what you want to see and not really responding to my points regarding numerology.
I posted a list of equations around 9/11 that didn't equal one of the many illuminati numbers. You just dismissed this without wanting to see the point.
You should look up the Law of Truly Large Numbers. There are so many potential numbers involved that it is not at all suprising that some can be */-+ to equal one of the many illuminati numbers. I can't make it any more simple than that duendy.

yer a very mixed up young man is what you are

No I think I'm doing okay.

 

[duendy]

shaman_ ....your a complete waste of space who keeps mithering me . and have no intention to really explore this subject

Of bleedin COURSE the pyramid symbol has to do with 9/11 you plonker. but yo cant see the hillarious irony you reveal about yerself assuming it doesn't. same with the other question iasked where you don't understand its relevance....so i cant be arsed with you no more. how i've managed THIS far is amazing. suferring a fool ...err gladly?

IF i was a tutor in REAL education i'd have kicked u outta my class ages ago. and no doubt other students would have laughed at your naiveity too

IF you not interested in this subject which i AM. go away...?! you are a complete timewaster

 

[thedevilsreject]

been a long time since i been here and it is nice to see your still flaming people who disagree with you duendy

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

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