Alright, I know for a fact that mental illness exists. It causes people that are unstable with how life is going to start believeing is new theroies that give the mattention at first but then become somthing totaly different, most people believe that they are god or a supiour being... im sorry but I wont indulge in your theroies about how the govermet would want to do anything like that, I just goes aginst intution and common sence.
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do YOU belong to that forum?ellion said:
is so, hy not you...
heres whay i cant:
1) certain forums i cant subscribe to woing to my system being to limited to be able to
2) i want to raise about it here
3) i dont want to if i could. this place takes enuf of my time
well i found an intersting related post http://www.sciforums.com/showthread.php?t=54475 .... says the FBI dosent want BinLadon for 9/11
yesterday i saw a really REALLY powerful film-documentary. i wulda missed it, but for just spontaneously surfin channels.
i taped it, adit is titled 'Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception: When news Lies: Media Complicity and The Iraq War, and is by Danny Schechter
http://www.wmdthefilm.com
do whatEVER you can to view this film. it isvery important. A MUST see! also there is a book too
It can be summarized thus: "The government
orchestrated the war while the media marketed it. You couldn' haveone without te other"
It was hard to watch, seriously. really heavy when you realize just what shit we are in.
Listen close! the U.S military fired at innocent INDEPENDENT American, etc., journalists. Did you hear what i said??!
Oneof the truly tragic sad scenes. You see what their bobs actually do. which teir media didn't show. in thisw case , 'cluster bombs'. we saw a hospital full--floors!-- of children with horrific injuries to their tender young bodies. Legs, arms gone, in agony.
I aother scene we see a journalist testing the sefere raioactivity emnating from an armoured tank caused by their depleted uranium bombs. A young soldier is being told not to go nearit, and that it is radioactive and tis young mad is shaking his head not beliving, then te German journalist gives up trying to convince him , nd we see te young soldier--someones son, lover, brother, friend--up close and prsonal to this highly lethal tank inspecting, obvlivious to the danger. in complete DENIAL!!
EVER scne in this film is completely exposing the sham that you believe is reality. which is transmitted thru your TV screens etc every day 24/7. IT IS A COMPLETE GAUDY PLASTIC EVIL EVIL SHAM! totally blatanly audaciously manipulative
What i a trying to do is explore deeper. that as we have told you they care NOT for you, for their own peoples, even the young people fighting their evil fuking illegal preemptive wars all based on outright lies. So why are you so unconvinced that their is not an elite who communicates by code and blows up masses of people in NYC, London, etc etc??
i taped it, adit is titled 'Embedded: Weapons of Mass Deception: When news Lies: Media Complicity and The Iraq War, and is by Danny Schechter
http://www.wmdthefilm.com
do whatEVER you can to view this film. it isvery important. A MUST see! also there is a book too
It can be summarized thus: "The government
orchestrated the war while the media marketed it. You couldn' haveone without te other"
It was hard to watch, seriously. really heavy when you realize just what shit we are in.
Listen close! the U.S military fired at innocent INDEPENDENT American, etc., journalists. Did you hear what i said??!
Oneof the truly tragic sad scenes. You see what their bobs actually do. which teir media didn't show. in thisw case , 'cluster bombs'. we saw a hospital full--floors!-- of children with horrific injuries to their tender young bodies. Legs, arms gone, in agony.
I aother scene we see a journalist testing the sefere raioactivity emnating from an armoured tank caused by their depleted uranium bombs. A young soldier is being told not to go nearit, and that it is radioactive and tis young mad is shaking his head not beliving, then te German journalist gives up trying to convince him , nd we see te young soldier--someones son, lover, brother, friend--up close and prsonal to this highly lethal tank inspecting, obvlivious to the danger. in complete DENIAL!!
EVER scne in this film is completely exposing the sham that you believe is reality. which is transmitted thru your TV screens etc every day 24/7. IT IS A COMPLETE GAUDY PLASTIC EVIL EVIL SHAM! totally blatanly audaciously manipulative
What i a trying to do is explore deeper. that as we have told you they care NOT for you, for their own peoples, even the young people fighting their evil fuking illegal preemptive wars all based on outright lies. So why are you so unconvinced that their is not an elite who communicates by code and blows up masses of people in NYC, London, etc etc??
where did you watch this documentary?
come on!!! what you doing watchin TV, you should know better.
any way if anyone want to see this film it can be downloaded through DC++
along with some other interesting docu's on the hub ][=> peoplepower.no-ip.com
i realise that it does not matter who did it!
the realisation dawned on me some 15 years ago that we are living in an oppressive society. it does not matter who is calling the shots and pulling the strings it all amounts to the same thing. we are waged slaves sold superficial freedoms. i am generalising.
you see my point yet. it is still the same point i had when i joined this thread. i cant change the order of the hierarchy at the top but i can make changes on the low level of the pryramid and if i can make enough changes maybe those changes will make more changes and the hierarchical structure will change itself, you can read between the lines, right?
the realisation dawned on me some 15 years ago that we are living in an oppressive society. it does not matter who is calling the shots and pulling the strings it all amounts to the same thing. we are waged slaves sold superficial freedoms. i am generalising.
you see my point yet. it is still the same point i had when i joined this thread. i cant change the order of the hierarchy at the top but i can make changes on the low level of the pryramid and if i can make enough changes maybe those changes will make more changes and the hierarchical structure will change itself, you can read between the lines, right?
duendy said:
Well you would say that, because it probably describes you and the people you count as friends fairly well .
Depends what criteria you use to base 'real' on I guess. I have a real job, a real house, a real partner, and have really worked with some truly gifted people in many and various technical roles. If being a mentally unstable dole scrounger is more 'real', then I guess you are.
I have never said I am better than you, that you say I have though, speaks volumes. It means that you are a little paranoid, and cannot disagree with someone without it becoming personal. As you will note from the complete lack of emotive language and profanity in my posts, duendy, I am pretty dipassionate in debate. Anger clouds the mind, and to be honest, being in disagreement with some nutter isn't enough to make me start swearing, I've experienced far worse!
I said;
1, you do not have a job (apart from 'labelling yourself as an 'artist' you have never shared what your profession is. You have never stated what medium any 'art' is performed in, either. So, I take this to be a smokescreen, and that you don't have a job.
2, you do have mental health problems (You have admitted seeing a mental health practitioner! Do perfectly sane people seek out shrinks? I don't think so!)
3, you do take too many drugs, and this doesn't help with your perception of reality. (You have admitted on many occasions that you use hallucinogens)
4, you aren't very well educated. (That much is obvious, you can't spell, construct sentences, remain focussed, or display rational thought.)
5, you aren't very well off. (On the 'computer advice needed' started by yourself, you bailed on the thread, saying you couldn't afford a computer anymore and that people weren't to ask about your financial situation. What is that if not an admission that you aren't very well off? Nothing to be ashamed of duendy, I've been on my skids before, during the 80's recession. But there ARE jobs now, money to be made working, do you hear?)
So, which bits are 'false rumour'? The only one not demonstrated or admitted by yourself right here on sciforums is No1!
So, therefore, you aren't a very credible person, and you don't help yourself by failing to back up the assertions you make, and taking spurious and disparate sources, and convolving them into something wholly irrational.
But you have to fall back onto this confusing myriad of disconnected myths, because when you try and present facts, (such as the Thermite story) they are easily disproven. But, the web of tangled assocaitions that exists only in your mind cannot be dissected, and you cling to that.
yes i read between lines and behind them and etc. yu HAVE to. otherwise you end up a damned literalist who are so verrryyy naive. tho it just takes doing it. the book that really helped me on my way bout this was The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.......ellion said:
I hace always had an interst in whats what, but certain books , tings you heard , see in life are like BIG events in your life.
for example. before 9/11 for a while i had been privately intersted in lookin at patriarchal myth , etc. ten when that assive shock happened i was kind of knooced out of my stride and began look t that. now i can tell you a HUGE knock out of my POLITICAl naiveitywas soon after the London bombings when ifound out about te occultic stuff connected with it. i had had NO idea whatsoefver about all tat. my whole view of the men in suits etc wa uterly different. of course i saw tem as war mongering mechaniostic souless grim greedy profity worshipping clods--of couse, but as for tis 'satanic' shit. not A clue to i knoew ofit in thepast--the heresies etc
tis is why i find it a little hard to fathom how many people here seem to ake sooo long/maybe never to twig. ...maybe its cause i had this background in myth and was aware howit forms mindsets that made it 'easier' to accept. tho it still was a MAJOR shock. still is.
what you said at the end of your reply i translate for me as ---i see comminity places like this like a pond. when e contribute we kind of like throw pebbles in it, and the pebbles send out waves.....and sometimes these waves effect other pople and rtey do same...etc
so talking about this 'secret'elite will let poother pople know. cause once i DIDN't kow. pre july 7 2005 i did-not-know period. to i had heard about the Illuminti via RAWilson.
you see theyt believe that their symbolshave morepower if people looking at tem dont know what tey mean. i know about this from als researchig magick a bit. so again--let thepeople KNOW. i dont wann be a manipulated sheeple. i dont want ANYone to be. sos i talk. i do the opposite of the mystery cults who frm their beginnings the are a 'mystery' not talking. we the real people must learn about that/them and SPEAK OUT. expose it!
not really any suprises in it for me. you understand the power of the occult one of my missions is to reveal this power to people. those who have ears, let them hear. thats not going to happen over an internet forum though and i have good opportunity where i live.
when i began to study the occult i realised that a lot of the teaching have come through the centuries via secret societies, freemasons, rosicrucian, etc that was the only way they could come through to us. the chruch has been relentless in pursuing and eradicating any knowledge of the mysteries. whitch hunts etc stamped out any thing that was threatend their power over the people.
when i began to study the occult i realised that a lot of the teaching have come through the centuries via secret societies, freemasons, rosicrucian, etc that was the only way they could come through to us. the chruch has been relentless in pursuing and eradicating any knowledge of the mysteries. whitch hunts etc stamped out any thing that was threatend their power over the people.
i think my way is more like to start a fire in peoples hearts. to spark a warm glow that will turn into a burning light. and each person whose heart i can set on fire will pass that fire on to others whom they touch. so more and more people catch a light and the fire spreads and spreads until my world is a lake of fire. so for now i have that fire begining to burn inside me and i am finding ways to fuel it and to fan the flames that it may burn brighter and take hold of people quicker.
duendy, I do not understand how you came to find this out. Could you explain further?duendy said:
Exploring is fine but you discard the mundane expanations and accept the fantastic without evidence. You need to learn critical thinking.duendy said:
There may be things wrong with the story but that doesn't mean the U.S. goverment or secret (but not secret) organisation is behind the whole thing.duendy said:
The thermite theory does not really stand up to any scrutiny. Neither does the whole 'controlled demolition' theory.
Just speculating, why would the U.S. goverment need to demolish the buildings anyway? Surely two planes with 24,000 gallons of jet fuel flying into the buildings would be enough to suit whatever their evil purposes were. There would be a risk that using explosives would be noticed beforehand or it would be an obvious demolition job. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
Hah!duendy said:
I have seen many articles like this duendy. I have been asking for the evidence that convinced you of the occult involvement because I had hoped you would have something bettter.
One good thing about the article though is that it actually makes a prediction. -
"The next big terror attack in the U.S. could take place on June 6th,
2006. Where? At the Sears Tower in Chicago which has a zip code of
60606;"
Anyway it says the numbers linked to the illuminati are 3,7,"11",13,19,39,93,111 and and multiples of each such as "666" . There are a lot of numbers to work with there.
11 seems to be one focused on a lot. 11 appears in the date quite a few times each year of course. However you are also allowed to add the numbers in the date up to make 11!
You can also count the number of days between world events, look at the times, bus numbers, flight numbers ect ect.
Come on duendy this is just manipulating numbers and dates to try and find significance.
It becomes more obvious when you start trying to find significance in the number of passengers on the planes/buses. These are things that no one had any control over. How is the number important then?
The law of truly large numbers says that with a large enough sample many odd coincidences are likely to happen. Nothing out of the ordinary here. There plenty of calculations of 9/11 events that are meaningless.
o course. I happened to find this:Communist Hamster said:
You'll mever think the same way again...The Revelation http://www.theforbiddenknowledge.com/wtc/index02.htm
i read it critically however. for example, you can see the autho is a Christian, and happens to interpret in places in his own christian symbology, which of course is shared in a subverted way by the occultic symbolism
I was really really stunned. Still am. and it is very frightening INDEED the situation we are in.
this shit is more than coincidence shaman_!shaman_ said:Exploring is fine but you discard the mundane expanations and accept the fantastic without evidence. You need to learn critical thinking.
me)))))haha
There may be things wrong with the story but that doesn't mean the U.S. goverment or secret (but not secret) organisation is behind the whole thing.
me)))))what IS wrong wit the story in your opinion?
The thermite theory does not really stand up to any scrutiny. Neither does the whole 'controlled demolition' theory.
me)))))you just saying that doesn't do anythig. its just an empty paragraph with no ...meat!
Just speculating, why would the U.S. goverment need to demolish the buildings anyway? Surely two planes with 24,000 gallons of jet fuel flying into the buildings would be enough to suit whatever their evil purposes were. There would be a risk that using explosives would be noticed beforehand or it would be an obvious demolition job. It just doesn't make a lot of sense.
me))))))it's not mant to. it is deception. a truamtic mindfuck of massive proportions
Hah!
I have seen many articles like this duendy. I have been asking for the evidence that convinced you of the occult involvement because I had hoped you would have something bettter.
me)))))jessuz. how many soddin clues d'ya neeeed dude. i've been FIREIN clues at yus!
One good thing about the article though is that it actually makes a prediction. -
"The next big terror attack in the U.S. could take place on June 6th,
2006. Where? At the Sears Tower in Chicago which has a zip code of
60606;"
Anyway it says the numbers linked to the illuminati are 3,7,"11",13,19,39,93,111 and and multiples of each such as "666" . There are a lot of numbers to work with there.
me)))you missed anoter important one....'33'
11 seems to be one focused on a lot. 11 appears in the date quite a few times each year of course. However you are also allowed to add the numbers in the date up to make 11!
You can also count the number of days between world events, look at the times, bus numbers, flight numbers ect ect.
Come on duendy this is just manipulating numbers and dates to try and find significance.
me))))))is it? or is it a meticulous code, and 'magick'?
It becomes more obvious when you start trying to find significance in the number of passengers on the planes/buses. These are things that no one had any control over. How is the number important then?
me))))))of what. not sure i understand yu in tis context. if you man generally. they believe that doing such things by numerology, and symbols, that plans will work.
The law of truly large numbers says that with a large enough sample many odd coincidences are likely to happen. Nothing out of the ordinary here. There plenty of calculations of 9/11 events that are meaningless.
i actually researched chaos magick a wile back, and went throug tis phase that i might delve in. but as i did i remembered. its weird. i've done this before. have gone into some thing kind of like forgetting why i disagreed with it in first place. not as in senility..hehe. dont know if you dig what i mean...?ellion said:
andway id did. i have a very questioning mind and i started questioning the role of the magick circle...?
i didn't feel comfortable wit it. wt the idea of protection from Nature
after all ,Tripping for example is completely open...
so i am mre into love and embrace of all Nature. not occultic cntrol. and i am seeing M A S S I V E danger of that ideal!!!
is not really about control.i t may seem like that tho, i can understadn why it feels like control because it does give more power to individuals over their own reality. it is about bringing you into line with the forces of nature. that you become intune with those forces as they yourself, you are nature, nature is you. it is all one. so learning to tune in via certain practices gives you back your power over yourself as an epxression of nature.
it is like suddenly realising you have arms!!! hey, i can contol my arms! look i can move my arms. thats unatural, isnt it. you should not be able to move your arms. only the big Dog has the power to move you arms. anyboody that can move their own arms is a worker of evil. [read between the lines]
the protection is about setting boundaries upon what has access or power over you. see? if natrue is all one then some other force might think you are its arms. and try to move you. that is why the importance to protect and work within a circle. there are other reasons. the act of constructing a circle is an exercise in directing your personal force.
you have your own way which is fine basically it is a case of we ar all on the same journey though we are walking different paths.
it is like suddenly realising you have arms!!! hey, i can contol my arms! look i can move my arms. thats unatural, isnt it. you should not be able to move your arms. only the big Dog has the power to move you arms. anyboody that can move their own arms is a worker of evil. [read between the lines]
the protection is about setting boundaries upon what has access or power over you. see? if natrue is all one then some other force might think you are its arms. and try to move you. that is why the importance to protect and work within a circle. there are other reasons. the act of constructing a circle is an exercise in directing your personal force.
you have your own way which is fine basically it is a case of we ar all on the same journey though we are walking different paths.
ellion said:
yes. i knowthat. but we cant help discussing about stuff. and we may clash on worldviews.
this ting about the magic circle did bother me, and i did some research about magick itself, and found it is very linked to Zoroastrianism, which divided world/universe into 'good' and 'evil' in conflict.
but errrrm are we not gettin bit too far off the actual subject here. may be interesting to open a thred specifically about the occult...?
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