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that is different?
and this is what i am and will be working for. not exposing political parties that exist on the darkside of the moon but enhancing community integrity. posisitive relationships within cultural identities. cooperation of organisations to identify and eradicate ignorance and intolerance. elimination of blaming, guillting and actions that lead to further conflicts. finding productive means of communication. etc etc etc.
all such things are within my sphere of influence, yes?? illuminate and secret politico-religious elite in my sphere of influence??? NO!
sorry, not shouting just emphasising. my point.
and this is what i am and will be working for. not exposing political parties that exist on the darkside of the moon but enhancing community integrity. posisitive relationships within cultural identities. cooperation of organisations to identify and eradicate ignorance and intolerance. elimination of blaming, guillting and actions that lead to further conflicts. finding productive means of communication. etc etc etc.
all such things are within my sphere of influence, yes?? illuminate and secret politico-religious elite in my sphere of influence??? NO!
sorry, not shouting just emphasising. my point.
ellion said:like i said i am not interested in things i cannot change when there are things that i can change right here
Does that not tell you why duendy is always looking for big conspiracies?
It's so she can justify her lack of achievement, and her impotence. She can't take on Halliburton or the Illuminati all by herself, so she does nothing but rattle on about these things on a web forum.
It's a trivial pursuit, but in her mind, it's very noble and important. Chasing down fantasy conspirators from her couch. Seeing the hidden 'truth' via webTV.
She is conspired against by the patriarchy, by the anti-drug globalist mechanist NWO MIB. The world is run in such a way to make her fail, and that is why her life is like it is.
They picked her out early. Thwarting her education, knowing she would be dangerous if she possessed just a few facts, and then scuppering her career path too, knowing she might gain enough experience to challenge them else.
But they couldn't take her drugs from her, and with them, shee sees everything.
why is WORLD community not your community??ellion said:that is different?
and this is what i am and will be working for. not exposing political parties that exist on the darkside of the moon but enhancing community integrity. posisitive relationships within cultural identities. cooperation of organisations to identify and eradicate ignorance and intolerance. elimination of blaming, guillting and actions that lead to further conflicts. finding productive means of communication. etc etc etc.
all such things are within my sphere of influence, yes?? illuminate and secret politico-religious elite in my sphere of influence??? NO!
sorry, not shouting just emphasising. my point.
that tlitle example of the bombed chippy was meant to point t the bigger picture. do you not understand that unless the REA enemy is known about, the people/the community is led to demonize innocents wo are NOT the real enemmy, but te secret elite's popaganda makes it seem so.
i am sorry ellion, but you cant hide in somelittle enclave and imagine tis shit doesn't reach there. well you CAN. but not me!
says he who has never even HAD a Trip. of he's soo experienced. in BSphlogistician said:Does that not tell you why duendy is always looking for big conspiracies?
me)))ohhhh...heeerreeeweee gooooo. an i aint forgot your previous post neither. dont worry
It's so she can justify her lack of achievement, and her impotence. She can't take on Halliburton or the Illuminati all by herself, so she does nothing but rattle on about these things on a web forum.
me)))and what do YO rattle on about limp dick? i'll tell ya. bullcrap. nasty nast ad homing. arrogantposturing which betrays your utter naiveity. really does. nd it is sad yet hillarious to witness, cause yer think yerself SUC hot shit. so right on te button.....HAH!
It's a trivial pursuit, but in her mind, it's very noble and important. Chasing down fantasy conspirators from her couch. Seeing the hidden 'truth' via webTV.
me))))oh fuk you. it doesn't matter if i am in a tiny litte box. i m a godamn more free thinking than you--probably--will ever be; i dont see much hope fo you boss.
yer waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too full of yerself to actually learn anything significant!
She is conspired against by the patriarchy, by the anti-drug globalist mechanist NWO MIB. The world is run in such a way to make her fail, and that is why her life is like it is.
me)))not just MY life you clod-head. christ your thick. and i MEAN that.
They picked her out early. Thwarting her education, knowing she would be dangerous if she possessed just a few facts, and then scuppering her career path too, knowing she might gain enough experience to challenge them else.
me)))pyeah tis idiot who raves on and on in his sado-forums about how reality is objective like him, and the bio-shrinks SUDDENLY got a crystal ball wehere he knows all bout my fukin life. /p-rick
But they couldn't take her drugs from her, and with them, shee sees everything.
more crazy ramblings from the man himself.
tut tut, mistake in the spellings again?
tut tut, mistake in the spellings again?
Mrs.Lucysnow
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"hmmmm you seemed to contradict yourself. on moment you were talking about how the powers KNOW peoples actions off b heart, etc, and how your actionsat indymedia got your comps confiscated etc.....then later you say just taliin , tappin on keys aint gonna do it, and in caps you assert we NEED ACTION. bit confused the what you MEAN by 'action'"
No contradiction. Anyone, and that includes any writer or journalist who picks up their pen, is using a tool of propoganda. This is true for the left as well as the right. While working with Indy I was aware that we were sharing information with other grassroots organizations world-wide that shared our same goals. A staunch right-wing American living in a small town and who owns a ranch may well never read a publication and would dismiss it they did. Indy isn't without an agenda anymore than Fox news. Ok, Indymedia is just a tool which is used in solidarity by and with other orgs that were very pro-active (we simply documented those events). Now do I think the pen works under these circumstances, in today's world? No. Not alone anyway. Why because there is so much disinformation. People can look up anything and everything on the web but that doesn't mean one has come across acurate, legitimate information. The best tool that the government can use is allowing a flood of real information mixed with false information sending a portion of the massess on a wild goose hunt. Its perfect really because as long as folks are contemplating masons, illuminati and transhumanists the muslim boogeyman, what really happened four years ago or what-have-you, they don't have to take a good look at what is changing and happening right now in governement or what changes are occurring right beneath their nose, what they can be controlled and influenced. Action takes different forms but the whole world right now is complaining right? I meet more people all the time who are against the US and its foreign policy, world government etc. But so what? All they do is discuss it, I have very rarely come across one who has a solution or is even having a discussion with the purpose of brainstorming a variety of solutions.
"listen up---and i dot say this bitchily, mainly cause for me that's forist truly honest intelligent posts i've gotten outta ya. dont de-value what i do here. and dont devalue the people here. i actually respect the people here even the real thickos..haha"
I assume you are the thicko and we the ones who have 'valued' you enough to even bother discussing the shit with you but I am not being bitchy.
"so what i do here ISaction. doesn't matter HOW small your action is. how samll your world IS. if you see someting not right, hidden etc etc. then enourage the exploring F it, and dont be put off by barriers and so on."
No it is not action it is self-indulgent. We come here for information or out of a sense of boredom or looking for help. Giving details about the patriot act and adding links to orgs/special interest groups that are working to change this is meaningful action. Not some cloak and dagger theory which is impossible for you to prove. The masons, illuminati are not hidden, there are scores of people writing about so called conspiracies when really we are dealing with government, big business, multi-nationals trying to strip developing or war torn countries of their resources and a completely self-serving foreign policy. But these subjects are lengthy, it means checking history, it means knowing what to decipher from the half-truths we find in the media. It then would mean taking a good look at the law and its changes and taking civil action immediatelty (something they failed to do in the States).
" reaality. right? i dont WANT to be manipulated. priod."
That I understand and can appreciate but have you ever considered perhaps that many of the sites focusing on Satan, illluminati etc are also trying to manipulate you? You are seeing something real right? Well maybe they have you chasing a ghost in the wrong direction when the real culprits are your local representatives. When was the last time you involved yourself in local politics nevermind the worlds? These conspiracies are meant to create more fear and more paranoia. They almost always skirt the real issues and never give a solution. Satan is here and that's all they have to say.
"i also am aware of the utter urgency of our situation. so am prepared to speak out to te death no matter that my effort might be like a fart in the wind"
Well yea it is a piss in the wind but why desire to speak to the death? I mean everyone speaks their peace to the end, its easy isn't it? The only time your speech is productive is if it causes someone else to DO something. Not just read what you have read so that both parties can converse on the same page just to go back to doing nothing at all and lamenting at how awful things really are.
"what you CAN do is EXPOSE their secret moves"
You don't know their moves and if you did it wouldn't be secret.
"and i disagree with you thatnot many believe governmentinvolvemenet in 9/11. according to reproted stats for say NYC it is over 50%...."
I have lived in NY for many years and I talk with people there all the time even while I am away. I talk to the everyday joe as well as thoughs who have access to better information and most do not believe the government was directly involved with 9/11. But so what? That doesnt mean it isnt true right? Well here is what is true, America has pockets of what some would call liberalism, if you go to the heartland of the US where the majority of americans live you will find a conservative movement very nationalistic and they are the most important voters. I would like to see the link you mentioned and remind you that stats are just that. There was a dutch woman here in Cambodia who interviewed 100 khmers from the villages using a translator to decide whether Cambodians wanted a war tribunal for the former Khmer Rouge. Later in her report based on a hundred people she decided that yes Cambodia wants a tribunal. This UN report goes to the Hague. Meanwhile here on the ground Khmers in certain areas (especially former KR strongholds) were praying for Pol Pot's return, this includes monks:
http://www.khmerfuture.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=766&topic=2&newlang=
The woman who made the report had never been to Cambodia before this project and hadn't lived in the country a good 8 months. She's read books about a country she doesn't understand and where she doesn't speak the language. I bring this up only to highlight that stats target only a small population and can be tweaked for a specific responses by using guided questions like:
"Do you want justice?"
Well who wouldnt want justice! But if they were asked for example:
"The tribunals could possibly destabilize your country and lead to civil war. Is a tribunal costing 50 million plus to try one or two old men who are practically on their death bed worth another military squirmish?
...Well I think if she had she would have received more complex responses.
I don't mean to be off topic I am just trying to illiustrate how information can be gathered, distorted and used for a specific aim.
No contradiction. Anyone, and that includes any writer or journalist who picks up their pen, is using a tool of propoganda. This is true for the left as well as the right. While working with Indy I was aware that we were sharing information with other grassroots organizations world-wide that shared our same goals. A staunch right-wing American living in a small town and who owns a ranch may well never read a publication and would dismiss it they did. Indy isn't without an agenda anymore than Fox news. Ok, Indymedia is just a tool which is used in solidarity by and with other orgs that were very pro-active (we simply documented those events). Now do I think the pen works under these circumstances, in today's world? No. Not alone anyway. Why because there is so much disinformation. People can look up anything and everything on the web but that doesn't mean one has come across acurate, legitimate information. The best tool that the government can use is allowing a flood of real information mixed with false information sending a portion of the massess on a wild goose hunt. Its perfect really because as long as folks are contemplating masons, illuminati and transhumanists the muslim boogeyman, what really happened four years ago or what-have-you, they don't have to take a good look at what is changing and happening right now in governement or what changes are occurring right beneath their nose, what they can be controlled and influenced. Action takes different forms but the whole world right now is complaining right? I meet more people all the time who are against the US and its foreign policy, world government etc. But so what? All they do is discuss it, I have very rarely come across one who has a solution or is even having a discussion with the purpose of brainstorming a variety of solutions.
"listen up---and i dot say this bitchily, mainly cause for me that's forist truly honest intelligent posts i've gotten outta ya. dont de-value what i do here. and dont devalue the people here. i actually respect the people here even the real thickos..haha"
I assume you are the thicko and we the ones who have 'valued' you enough to even bother discussing the shit with you but I am not being bitchy.
"so what i do here ISaction. doesn't matter HOW small your action is. how samll your world IS. if you see someting not right, hidden etc etc. then enourage the exploring F it, and dont be put off by barriers and so on."
No it is not action it is self-indulgent. We come here for information or out of a sense of boredom or looking for help. Giving details about the patriot act and adding links to orgs/special interest groups that are working to change this is meaningful action. Not some cloak and dagger theory which is impossible for you to prove. The masons, illuminati are not hidden, there are scores of people writing about so called conspiracies when really we are dealing with government, big business, multi-nationals trying to strip developing or war torn countries of their resources and a completely self-serving foreign policy. But these subjects are lengthy, it means checking history, it means knowing what to decipher from the half-truths we find in the media. It then would mean taking a good look at the law and its changes and taking civil action immediatelty (something they failed to do in the States).
" reaality. right? i dont WANT to be manipulated. priod."
That I understand and can appreciate but have you ever considered perhaps that many of the sites focusing on Satan, illluminati etc are also trying to manipulate you? You are seeing something real right? Well maybe they have you chasing a ghost in the wrong direction when the real culprits are your local representatives. When was the last time you involved yourself in local politics nevermind the worlds? These conspiracies are meant to create more fear and more paranoia. They almost always skirt the real issues and never give a solution. Satan is here and that's all they have to say.
"i also am aware of the utter urgency of our situation. so am prepared to speak out to te death no matter that my effort might be like a fart in the wind"
Well yea it is a piss in the wind but why desire to speak to the death? I mean everyone speaks their peace to the end, its easy isn't it? The only time your speech is productive is if it causes someone else to DO something. Not just read what you have read so that both parties can converse on the same page just to go back to doing nothing at all and lamenting at how awful things really are.
"what you CAN do is EXPOSE their secret moves"
You don't know their moves and if you did it wouldn't be secret.
"and i disagree with you thatnot many believe governmentinvolvemenet in 9/11. according to reproted stats for say NYC it is over 50%...."
I have lived in NY for many years and I talk with people there all the time even while I am away. I talk to the everyday joe as well as thoughs who have access to better information and most do not believe the government was directly involved with 9/11. But so what? That doesnt mean it isnt true right? Well here is what is true, America has pockets of what some would call liberalism, if you go to the heartland of the US where the majority of americans live you will find a conservative movement very nationalistic and they are the most important voters. I would like to see the link you mentioned and remind you that stats are just that. There was a dutch woman here in Cambodia who interviewed 100 khmers from the villages using a translator to decide whether Cambodians wanted a war tribunal for the former Khmer Rouge. Later in her report based on a hundred people she decided that yes Cambodia wants a tribunal. This UN report goes to the Hague. Meanwhile here on the ground Khmers in certain areas (especially former KR strongholds) were praying for Pol Pot's return, this includes monks:
http://www.khmerfuture.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=766&topic=2&newlang=
The woman who made the report had never been to Cambodia before this project and hadn't lived in the country a good 8 months. She's read books about a country she doesn't understand and where she doesn't speak the language. I bring this up only to highlight that stats target only a small population and can be tweaked for a specific responses by using guided questions like:
"Do you want justice?"
Well who wouldnt want justice! But if they were asked for example:
"The tribunals could possibly destabilize your country and lead to civil war. Is a tribunal costing 50 million plus to try one or two old men who are practically on their death bed worth another military squirmish?
...Well I think if she had she would have received more complex responses.
I don't mean to be off topic I am just trying to illiustrate how information can be gathered, distorted and used for a specific aim.
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when ya 18 agin...??john smith said:more crazy ramblings from the man himself.
tut tut, mistake in the spellings again?
ie., grow up before you get all wise-guyish
lol, look at my profile, or can't you do math?
you can be very wise and be very young, likewise you can be old and completly fucking ignorant, im not saying that you are mind, but thats an everyday fact.
do you understand?
:m:
you can be very wise and be very young, likewise you can be old and completly fucking ignorant, im not saying that you are mind, but thats an everyday fact.
do you understand?
:m:
duendy said:why is WORLD community not your community??
that tlitle example of the bombed chippy was meant to point t the bigger picture. do you not understand that unless the REA enemy is known about, the people/the community is led to demonize innocents wo are NOT the real enemmy, but te secret elite's popaganda makes it seem so.
i am sorry ellion, but you cant hide in somelittle enclave and imagine tis shit doesn't reach there. well you CAN. but not me!
you create a lot of enemies dont you, i dont want to fight with you but you are persitent in telling me what i should believe and what i should do about those beliefs.
this is quite simple, try to understand my position please, i keep saying this. i cannot change the world politcal system but i can make changes close to home. that is it. I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE IT IS A WASTE OF MY RESOURCES. if i thought i could change it i would try. i know i cant so i dont.
i am not hiding in my little enclave, i am stuck in this little enclave far far away form the mean mean men, i am here with other people who i care about people who i can reach. i cant reach to the darkside of the moon, i can only reach a little bit outside of my enclave, so i do what i can with the resources i have in the situations i can influence.
you suggest i should NOT help the people i CAN help? but instead i should spread paranoia about the things i cannot change.
Get a job, duendy, and all the crap you worry about will vanish, as you enter the real world.
patronizing red neckphlogistician said:Get a job, duendy, and all the crap you worry about will vanish, as you enter the real world.
hehehe...yeah i DO un de stand. ad i have somepretty deep coverstaions qith youn people. but errr what i've seen from yo aint that. what i see is what i get. do you understand?john smith said:lol, look at my profile, or can't you do math?
you can be very wise and be very young, likewise you can be old and completly fucking ignorant, im not saying that you are mind, but thats an everyday fact.
do you understand?
:m:
Those conversations only seem deep because of your medicated state, duendy.
oh bolloks. i didn't say that at all! i said SEE WHAT is going on and speak out. cant you SEE this for fks sake. whay you actin so dumb??ellion said:you create a lot of enemies dont you, i dont want to fight with you but you are persitent in telling me what i should believe and what i should do about those beliefs.
me))hah kneeeew some kind of vibe was kickin off from you. for your cold reply via pm about that aricle you ''can not find'....look dont bothe doin me any facors yeah. i'm not under your power.
what you are ellion is a conformist. you see me virtually assailed on all sides by ignoreant people and ASSUME it is MEthat makes eimies. i am SO dissilusioned from your observation considering your exprience wit mental health and all that crap. anyhow. lets ssee what else you go to say.....
this is quite simple, try to understand my position please, i keep saying this. i cannot change the world politcal system but i can make changes close to home. that is it. I DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT THE THINGS I CANNOT CHANGE IT IS A WASTE OF MY RESOURCES. if i thought i could change it i would try. i know i cant so i dont.
me)))i dont need fukin caps to read . i heard yo first time. but what yo fail to see is YOUR postion challenges MY position dont it. we are talking. tis is a fukin debating forum. if you dont wat to be in tis thread. go awy. noones forcing you or ANY one to be here..........are they?
so?
i am not hiding in my little enclave, i am stuck in this little enclave far far away form the mean mean men, i am here with other people who i care about people who i can reach. i cant reach to the darkside of the moon, i can only reach a little bit outside of my enclave, so i do what i can with the resources i have in the situations i can influence.
m))))well where do you tink I am? i also am a victim of the onslaught of te enclosing prisonplanet. yo should be on my side idiot than making an enemy of me....shheeesh
you suggest i should NOT help the people i CAN help? but instead i should spread paranoia about the things i cannot change.
;isten maybe you better HAD go cause you particularly are pissing me orrrrf
duendy said:and let me add another iomportant issue to do with all this horror, which i haveheard lately. New Yorkers affected by the atrocity have been even FURTHER abused, and utterly tramatized, and LIED to----by NYC mayor Guiliani....about the toxic dust caused by the atrocity! Firemen, service workers, people, tourists, schoolchidren, etc have died and are dying yet were notwarrned about/lied to about the extremely toxic dust whioch many breathed in oblivious!
including Guiliani himself numbskull, you do remember him on the scene helping people dont you?....holding a paper mask to his face, covered in "TOXIC" dust.
but as we see in video most of the fuel explodes OUTside towers.
you really dont know what your talking about do you? did the fuel explode or the fumes?
YOU claim THE FUEL WAS USED UP IN THE EXPLOSION SHOWN IN IMAGES?
HOW MUCH FUEL DOES A MODERN PASSENGER JET HOLD?
DUENDY YOU CAN ALTER YOUR mind BUT YOU CANT ALTER HISTORY.
Now duendy, if a war with Iraq was necessary dont you think they couldve used another way than the carnage from hell we saw on 911? OR are you is that [delet by Alejandro, Reaon:adhom]?
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duendy since you feel it is okay to discourage me form my own endeavours to encourage me to research and expose the lies of the new world order, can i do you the same honour? well i will anyway thanks.
right, what i want to do is find out what you can do in your area of influence, you live in manc somewhere dont you. so is there some community work that you could do, maybe work with drug an alcohol problems or mental health area you have an interest in psychiatric treatments yes? youth inclusion projects.
you could research what ishappening in your own community and put some of you deterimination and resolve for justice into positive action.
you can do something better than than exposing the new world order with you time surely. and oyu coudl still do the speaking out about the truth in your free time.
so, go on shoot me down!!
tell me i am bieng a facist!
right, what i want to do is find out what you can do in your area of influence, you live in manc somewhere dont you. so is there some community work that you could do, maybe work with drug an alcohol problems or mental health area you have an interest in psychiatric treatments yes? youth inclusion projects.
you could research what ishappening in your own community and put some of you deterimination and resolve for justice into positive action.
you can do something better than than exposing the new world order with you time surely. and oyu coudl still do the speaking out about the truth in your free time.
so, go on shoot me down!!
tell me i am bieng a facist!
fool? i have never told you i a on fukin evil meds. i have argued at thee forums constantly aganst them and the philosophy behind them--and the COERCIONand lies pusingthem. all thisof coursew has passed your utterly ignoreant mind by.phlogistician said:Those conversations only seem deep because of your medicated state, duendy.
you are ignoreant fellah.
IF people want to tak 'meds' KNOWING the real story. that is up to them.
ellion...your being patronizin. and dont EVER put ANYone down for doing the littlest--in your opinion. my advice to you!ellion said:duendy since you feel it is okay to discourage me form my own endeavours to encourage me to research and expose the lies of the new world order, can i do you the same honour? well i will anyway thanks.
right, what i want to do is find out what you can do in your area of influence, you live in manc somewhere dont you. so is there some community work that you could do, maybe work with drug an alcohol problems or mental health area you have an interest in psychiatric treatments yes? youth inclusion projects.
you could research what ishappening in your own community and put some of you deterimination and resolve for justice into positive action.
you can do something better than than exposing the new world order with you time surely. and oyu coudl still do the speaking out about the truth in your free time.
so, go on shoot me down!!
tell me i am bieng a facist!
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