9/11 was an inside job

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I HAVE NOTHING BUT UTTER CONTEMPT FOR YOU ALL.

And here we have it. The grand trampling exit at 9:16 AM with a promise to never post here again, followed by a noisy return at 9:44pm. Can I call it or what?

Truth needs no law to support it. Truth is self-evident to all. Truth withstands re-examination. Truth survives questions. Throughout history, from Galileo to Zundel, only lies and liars have resorted to the courts to enforce adherence to dogma.

So only liars resort to the courts to try to make their case and enforce adherence to their dogma?

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Historic Case to Challenge BBC’s 9/11 Coverage

By Peter Drew
Originally at http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article33984.htm

February 17, 2013 "Information Clearing House" - On February 25, in the small town of Horsham in the United Kingdom, there will be a rare and potentially groundbreaking opportunity for the 9/11 truth movement. Three hours of detailed 9/11 evidence is to be presented and considered in a court of law where the British Broadcasting Corporation (BBC) will be challenged over the inaccurate and biased manner in which it has portrayed the events and evidence of 9/11.
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How do you feel to be part of the liars resorting to courts to enforce adherence to his dogma?
 
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You should probably look at that picture and question "Why are the firemen using Foam?" After all if it was just a normal "fire", then water would of quite easily sufficed. "Foam" is used in when dealing with burning fuel fires. That would suggest the Pentagon was covered in fuel, that's not something that would happen from shooting a missile at it, or blowing it up from inside the building with C4. The height the firefighter's cover in foam is also far higher than someone could throw gasoline.

This point alone is just one of the many reasons why none of your conspiracy theories stick.
 
Not to mention the giant big hole where the plane went in and exploded...

Are you people really this stupid or are you merely being obtuse.

LISTEN UP!

GET THIS IF YOU GET NOTHING ELSE.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY.


HAVE YOU GOT THAT YOU HALFWIT?

It's all in the past postings I've made.

PROBLEM! YOU HAVE TO FUCKING READ IT.
Click above for an animation provided not by a Conspiracy Theorist but the National Transport & Safety Board (NTSB). The body of people who officially investigates aircraft crashes.

There's nothing so infuriating as being dictated to by a piece of pond life that is immersed in a combination of WILLFUL ignorance and arrogance.

That should do it. Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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You should probably look at that picture and question "Why are the firemen using Foam?" After all if it was just a normal "fire", then water would of quite easily sufficed. "Foam" is used in when dealing with burning fuel fires. That would suggest the Pentagon was covered in fuel, that's not something that would happen from shooting a missile at it, or blowing it up from inside the building with C4. The height the firefighter's cover in foam is also far higher than someone could throw gasoline.

This point alone is just one of the many reasons why none of your conspiracy theories stick.

Yes but? ....... but? .........but?........but?......but?


WHERE'S THE FUCKING PLANE?

Oh wait!!!!

Don't tell me?

Let me guess!!!!!

It's hiding underneath all those Weapons of Mass Destruction we heard about.

NAILED

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.-Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention
August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.-George W. Bush
Speech to UN General Assembly
September 12, 2002

If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.-Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
December 2, 2002

We know for a fact that there are weapons there.-Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
January 9, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.-George W. Bush
State of the Union Address
January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.-Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.-George W. Bush
Radio Address
February 8, 2003

If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.-Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International
February 28, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.

-Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council
March 7, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.

-George W. Bush
Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.-Ari Fleisher
Press Briefing
March 21, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.

-Gen. Tommy Franks
Press Conference
March 22, 2003

I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.
Defence Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman
Washington Post, p. A27
March 23, 2003

One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.-Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark
Press Briefing
March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.-Donald Rumsfeld
ABC Interview
March 30, 2003

Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.-Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed
April 9, 2003

But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found.-Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing
April 10, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.-George W. Bush
NBC Interview
April 24, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.-Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing
April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.-George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 3, 2003

I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.-Colin Powell
Remarks to Reporters
May 4, 2003

We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.-Donald Rumsfeld
Fox News Interview
May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.-George W. Bush
Remarks to Reporters
May 6, 2003

U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction.-Condoleeza Rice
Reuters Interview
May 12, 2003

I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.-Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne
Press Briefing
May 13, 2003

Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found.-Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps
Interview with Reporters
May 21, 2003

Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.-Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff
NBC Today Show interview
May 26, 2003

They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.
-Donald Rumsfeld
Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations
May 27, 2003

For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.-Paul Wolfowitz
Vanity Fair interview
May 28, 2003

It was a surprise to me then — it remains a surprise to me now — that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.-Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force
Press Interview
May 30, 2003

Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there."
-Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency
Press Conference
May 30, 2003

FOUND ANY WMDs LATELY? I'LL GET MY MOTHER TO LOOK FOR THEM. SHE FINDS EVERYTHING
 
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Oh they've been fruitlessly throwing evidence at me have they.

Right. What's the title of this thread?

911 Was an Inside job.

So what does that mean?

Think about it.

Now look at this.

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WHERE'S THE FUCKING PLANE????????

INSIDE?

WHO TOLD YOU THAT?


AY?

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT TOLD YOU THERE WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

YOU REVEL IN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T BOTHERED TO READ THE REBUTTAL TO YOUR IDIOTIC THEORY AND THEN TRY TO DICTATE TO ME>

WHAT'S THE POINT?

I HAVE NOTHING BUT UTTER CONTEMPT FOR YOU ALL.

In pieces... obviously. Have you ever watched a fast moving object impact a solid immobile object at high velocity? It tends to... well, splatter almost like liquid.

Also, your contemptuous indignation is noted.

EDIT - reposted after Roscoe's reply
 
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In pieces... obviously. Have you ever watched a fast moving object impact a solid immobile object at high velocity? It tends to... well, splatter almost like liquid.

So.

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Can you actually see a plane? Or pieces of a plane? Show me on this photograph

Who told you the plane was inside?

What does the term:

911 Was an Inside Job

Actually mean?


The official story says that the plane went into there at 530 mph (check it out)

Have you actually rang Boeing yet and asked if one of their planes can do 530 mph 10 fet off the ground yet?

Go on telephone them - They need a laugh
 
Reposting since you posted while I was editing:

Oh they've been fruitlessly throwing evidence at me have they.

Right. What's the title of this thread?

911 Was an Inside job.

So what does that mean?

Think about it.

Now look at this.

6-4ba.jpg


WHERE'S THE FUCKING PLANE????????

INSIDE?

WHO TOLD YOU THAT?


AY?

THE SAME PEOPLE THAT TOLD YOU THERE WERE WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION.

YOU REVEL IN THE FACT THAT YOU HAVEN'T BOTHERED TO READ THE REBUTTAL TO YOUR IDIOTIC THEORY AND THEN TRY TO DICTATE TO ME>

WHAT'S THE POINT?

I HAVE NOTHING BUT UTTER CONTEMPT FOR YOU ALL.

In pieces... obviously. Have you ever watched a fast moving object impact a solid immobile object at high velocity? It tends to... well, splatter almost like liquid.

Also, your contemptuous indignation is noted.

Let me show you how to present an argument backed by FACTS:

Lee Evey - you know said:
"We made several modifications to the building as part of that renovation that we think helped save people's lives," says Lee Evey, who runs a billion-dollar project to renovate the Pentagon. They've been working on it since 1993. The first section was five days from being finished when the terrorists hit it with the plane.
The renovation project built strength into the 60-year-old limestone exterior with a web of steel beams and columns.
"You have these steel tubes and, again, they go from the first floor and go all the way to the fifth floor," says Evey. "We have everything bolted together in a strong steel matrix. It supports and encases the windows and provides tremendous additional strength to the wall."
When the plane hit at 350 miles an hour, the limestone layer shattered. But inside, those shards of stone were caught by a shield of cloth that lines the entire section of the building.
It is a special cloth that helps prevent masonry from fragmenting and turning into shrapnel. The cloth is also used to make bullet-resistant vests.
All of this, especially the steel, held up the third, fourth and fifth floors. They stayed up for 35 minutes. You can see them through the smoke, suspended over the hole gouged by the jet. Only after the evacuation did the heat melt the new steel away. Evey says that without the reconstruction, the floors might have collapsed immediately.

Lt. Gen. Bob Flowers said:
Lt. Gen. Bob Flowers commands the Army Corps of Engineers. The Corps helped design the Pentagon's new protection. The engineers studied past attacks, including the 1983 Marine barracks bombing in Lebanon, Oklahoma City in 1995, the Khobar Towers barracks in Saudi Arabia and the U.S. embassies in east Africa.

"At Khobar Towers, for example, most of the damage and casualties were caused by flying debris from the structure and the glass, et cetera," says Flowers. "And so based on that, we worked, designed, things to prevent flying debris and flying glass. At Oklahoma City, the bulk of the casualties were caused by the collapsing structure. So one of the things we studied was how to put redundant capability in a structure to prevent it from collapsing if it was attacked. So by applying the lessons that you learn from doing those studies, you can better protect structures in the future."

Reed Mosher said:
Reed Mosher is the technical director for survivability. They have developed a team of specialists that goes to these terrorist strikes as soon as they happen.

The buildings tell the team a great deal. "We want to find what performed well, what didn't perform well, try to characterize the size of the bomb, the blast," says Mosher.

Mosher also designs his own terrorist bombings in miniature with exacting scale models of reinforced concrete buildings.

Recently, Mosher's team tested a common interior wall, particle board, steel wall studs and sheetrock. The wall is set in a steel frame with instruments inside.

Then they set off a bomb. Mosher has done hundreds of these, in an effort to create new building materials. The Corps of Engineers runs these experiments through its super computer center, which is one of the most powerful in the nation. The computer can test various kinds of bombs against different buildings without breaking any glass.

In a special 3-D imaging room Mosher showed how the super computers recreates the blast wave that hit Khobar Towers. It predicts the path of every shard of glass from a single breaking window.

These studies have helped create a new generation of window that can stand up to tremendous force. The window is strapped in, almost as if it had a seat belt. The Corps has tested more than 100 window designs.

The renovated section of the Pentagon had just been fitted with blast resistant windows

U.S. Army lieutenant Colonel Vince Kam was sitting next to one of them. "I was sitting basically about three feet away from the window. I can see with that loud bang that accompanied the fireball that came up toward the window," he recalls.

But neither the heat nor the force broke through the windows right next to the impact site. The Pentagon’s new windows cost $10,000 apiece. No one has counted how many lives hey saved. "If I was sitting in the same window on the unrenovated part of the Pentagon, I probably would not have survived it," Kam says.

Evey's team finished tearing down the section that they had just put up — 400,000 square feet. It is less than 10 percent of the building.

So, the side they hit had been newly renovated, with heavy reinforcement including a kevlar spall liner to catch debris and a steel substructure that is interconnected to provide increased rigidity. The windows are designed to withstand incredible forces in order to keep occupants of high-profile buildings safe from flying debris, heat, and other bomb-related phenomena... at 10,000 USD a piece, the windows BETTER be damn good!

So... you ask, where is the plane? Simple...

You like videos, right Roscoe? Here's one for you:

[video=youtube_share;aSVfYwdGSsQ]http://youtu.be/aSVfYwdGSsQ[/video]

This is a high-speed sled impacting a car.

Note, the sled has far less kinetic energy as it has far lower mass than an airplane.
Note, the car is far MORE durable than an airplane, as an airplane is a giant circular aluminium tube, as opposed to the cars reinforced body (designed to withstand impacts to protect the occupants)
As you can see... the car is pretty much just gone. Little chunks are all that is left.

Now, Jet-A fuel (the US standard since the 1950's) has an open-air burning temperature of approximately 600 degrees Fahrenheit, though under compression (such as an explosion) it can reach well over 1500 degrees Fahrenheit (for example, the turbine inlet temperature on an airliner can spike as high as 1800 degrees under a full-power takeoff). The melting point of steel is 2500 degrees Fahrenheit. Uh oh, we have a problem, right?

WRONG.

Steel becomes MALLEABLE, or soft enough to bend/twist/work with at just over 1,000 degrees Fahrenheit.

The melting point of the aluminum alloy used in aircraft is between 800 and 1200 degrees Fahrenheit, depending on the specific blend of metals.

SO

Where did the plane go? Simple, it got mulched into small pieces that then MELTED because of the intense heat and pressure.
Why did the building collapse over half an hour AFTER the impact? Simple, the supporting structural steel softened under intense heat to the point that it couldn't support the weight of the structure anymore.
Why didn't it cause more damage? Simple, the reinforcements made to the building worked EXACTLY as intended.

Problem solved. All outliers are accounted for and loose ends tied up.

Now, shall we put this dead horse to rest, or keep beating it some more?

No, the plane was NOT doing 530MPH... it was doing approximately 3-400 MPH... but even IF it were doing 530 MPH, the max speed of Boeing 757-223 model aircraft is 610 MPH at cruising altitude under full power, roughly 40,000 pounds of thrust. It can EASILY hit 400 MPH at ground level.

The plane WAS doing 530 MPH when it flew over Arlington natl cemetery... however it is reported it actually struck the ground before impacting the Pentagon, which would have bled off considerable speed.
 
roscoe

Can you actually see a plane? Or pieces of a plane? Show me on this photograph

debris2.jpg


There you go.

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And here is a photo taken at exactly the same time, but at about 90 degrees to the left. See all the aluminum confetti?

[video]https://encrypted-tbn1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQY-z4sWCqG2j4wmBMtJsTRo6icBKkRxgyqsFNFKu2d1Y-GhsiH[/video]

"WHERE'S THE PLANE???!!!"

Idiocy.

Grumpy:cool:
 
Re: roscoe - I wish that, having decided not to review any of the evidence puncturing his belief system, roscoe would indeed flee the thread, instead of coming back and re-fleeing. Can't it just be done once and for all?
 
Are you people really this stupid or are you merely being obtuse.

LISTEN UP!

GET THIS IF YOU GET NOTHING ELSE.

AMERICAN AIRLINES FLIGHT 77 NEVER TOOK OFF THAT DAY.


HAVE YOU GOT THAT YOU HALFWIT?

It's all in the past postings I've made.

PROBLEM! YOU HAVE TO FUCKING READ IT.
Click above for an animation provided not by a Conspiracy Theorist but the National Transport & Safety Board (NTSB). The body of people who officially investigates aircraft crashes.

There's nothing so infuriating as being dictated to by a piece of pond life that is immersed in a combination of WILLFUL ignorance and arrogance.

That should do it. Good Bye!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For someone who keeps leaving, you just keep coming back.

Now, we usually know when people need to perhaps take a step back when they start writing in giant letters and in upper caps. No matter how much of a spectacle you make of yourself, you're not really helping your case here. The alternative for us is quite simple. We can allow you to keep posting and let the members rip strips off you and just insult you back to a protective womb, where you would simply rock back and forth while sucking your thumb, or we can give you and this thread (and us) a break from your rude and offensive behaviour. Since I notice you have received a red card for this post (which usually means a ban), I think you need to take a couple of days and ermm yeah.. get a grip.

So take a few days off. Go out and smell the fresh air. Smell some flowers, pat a cat or dog. Fly a kite. Do something to relieve yourself of this anger.





Mod Note


roscoe has been temporarily banned for abusive and rude behaviour towards staff and members alike in this thread.
 
Probably do him good to get out of his mom's basement. If he'd take a shower and put on a clean shirt, he might even be able to get a job. I wish him luck with his search for a meaning in his life, he will, unfortunately, never get all the time he wasted on this garbage back.
 
I reiterate - a formal debate would be great, but probably won't happen.

And this: how long would one of us last on a 'Truther' forum? Not long, is my bet.
 
I was on "Break for News" for over two years, even had my own thread where they could come attack me, called Grumpy's Corner. They all acted exactly like he has acted here, just more of them. Concrete Core Browne, No plane in PA killtown and Fintan himself broke on the rocks of truth on my shores. They finally banned me, but not because of my behavior, it was my info that they could not face. The place is almost moribund since that time. Quite dead, in fact. Though psyhacker has been there. The poor guys are aging out of their mother's basement unequipped to survive in a world not based on their paranoid fantasy world. Remain calm and give them hell with the facts, they can't deal with it(as roscoe has so eloquently demonstrated), but fintan was a principled guy and put up with a lot of flak for my right to my opinion. By the time I left they were foaming at the mouth and their posts had deteriorated to grunts and waving clubs so I asked Fintan to ban me the next time the heat got too much, I had done all I could. Concrete Core Browne was thoroughly discredited and killtown rebuked to his face. I walked out at about the time that "Chemtrails" walked in.

Grumpy:facepalm:
 
I reiterate - a formal debate would be great, but probably won't happen.
Roscoe's ban has been extended to a permanent ban. He won't be debating it with you here at any rate.

And this: how long would one of us last on a 'Truther' forum? Not long, is my bet.
I'd question why any sane individual would want to go to a 'truther' forum. I mean sure, it's fun to smack idiots upside the head, and Grumpy looks to have done it for two years (good grief man! He must have a will of iron!), but it gets to a point where it stops being fun.
 
Bells

Grumpy looks to have done it for two years (good grief man! He must have a will of iron!), but it gets to a point where it stops being fun.

Yeah, even old folk are capable of growing up. I got it out of my system, though the horse's corpse suffered grievous injury and had to be buried on the spot.

Grumpy:cool:
 
Roscoe's ban has been extended to a permanent ban. He won't be debating it with you here at any rate.


I'd question why any sane individual would want to go to a 'truther' forum. I mean sure, it's fun to smack idiots upside the head, and Grumpy looks to have done it for two years (good grief man! He must have a will of iron!), but it gets to a point where it stops being fun.

Social responsibility. A sizeable plurality of the American electorate and soon-to-be-electorate believes in this shit. That is potentially a very, very serious issue. Something has to be done. Soon.
 
I'll be blatantly honest. I have zero tolerance for 9/11 truther's, just like I have zero tolerance for holocaust truther's, like I have zero tolerance for the political faction who believe Obama is a Muslim intent on world Islamic domination, for example. Absolutely none.

And unfortunately, there are some who believe in it. And they do pose a threat to not only political stability in their respective countries, but the bigger threat is the decimation of absolute quackery. And with these people, you can present the facts as much as you want, they won't believe in it. I have some cousins who believe that humans walked with dinosaurs and they think that evolution is a conspiracy theory by the great and evil scientists. Aside from being a social embarrassment (and having to explain to my very bright and impressionable children to simply never believe what they say and to simply nod, smile and come and get mummy), no matter how much I present the facts to them, they won't believe it. I could tattoo it to their foreheads (believe me, it crossed my mind at one point), they still won't believe it.

No matter what you say to them, these people won't change their minds. Because they believe in their cause so strongly, nothing will sway their opinion. Will debating them help? While it won't change their mind, the decimation of correct information is probably a better counter-point and balance. While it won't convince people who are truther quacks, you can only hope to lessen the attraction some of them may hold to the doubters. And you are right, in that sense, it is a social responsibility. But if the aim is to change their minds, then it is unlikely to succeed. And that is a tragedy.
 
I'll be blatantly honest. I have zero tolerance for 9/11 truther's, just like I have zero tolerance for holocaust truther's, like I have zero tolerance for the political faction who believe Obama is a Muslim intent on world Islamic domination, for example. Absolutely none.

And unfortunately, there are some who believe in it. And they do pose a threat to not only political stability in their respective countries, but the bigger threat is the decimation of absolute quackery. And with these people, you can present the facts as much as you want, they won't believe in it. I have some cousins who believe that humans walked with dinosaurs and they think that evolution is a conspiracy theory by the great and evil scientists. Aside from being a social embarrassment (and having to explain to my very bright and impressionable children to simply never believe what they say and to simply nod, smile and come and get mummy), no matter how much I present the facts to them, they won't believe it. I could tattoo it to their foreheads (believe me, it crossed my mind at one point), they still won't believe it.

No matter what you say to them, these people won't change their minds. Because they believe in their cause so strongly, nothing will sway their opinion. Will debating them help? While it won't change their mind, the decimation of correct information is probably a better counter-point and balance. While it won't convince people who are truther quacks, you can only hope to lessen the attraction some of them may hold to the doubters. And you are right, in that sense, it is a social responsibility. But if the aim is to change their minds, then it is unlikely to succeed. And that is a tragedy.



Although, I agree with what has been said above, I really don't believe we have too much to worry about.
The majority of people who happen to cross paths or swords with these lunatics, deep down, know that what they claim is virtually impossible.
It does seem sometimes that we do appear to be snowed under on this forum, but then again the real smart ones, after refuting the nonsense, get bored and tired and move on......and of course as I have said many times, their agenda is really only discussed in forums such as this and is their only outlet.
Maybe the situation is worse in the US, I'm not really sure, but the biggest problem I see in Australia is more along the lines of the general populace being disinterested,....
Most have heard of these nonsense conspiracies, and may give them some thought, but just as quickly dismiss them as highly unlikely.

In saying all that, I don't believe for one minute that they should be ignored.
The more buckets poured over them the better.

I also loved the mystery, intrigue and adventures of the X-Files TV show, but I was able to distinguish the wheat from the chaff, while at the same time, being confident that ETL, both primitive and Intelligent, are most likely to exist somewhere, sometime.
Alternatively I also loved the Star Trek series, and recognised the possibilities of what human kind maybe like in eons to come and the scientific possibilities that were heralded.
 
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