9/11 Poll

[Tony Szamboti]

These comments about believers are rapidly wearing thin. And on the basis of the post you're replying to you can't really comment on my belief of anything.

The clear implication of my post is that I wasn't sure if the data extraction had been completed or not, I can point to at least one site that seems to indicate that it's an ongoing process.

As far as the the distribution of the concrete goes? My understanding was that the information that's been published is that the floors were poured to an average depth of something like 8 inches with concrete, and the difference between the mechanical floors and the office floors was in the bracing under the floor, not the thickness of concrete.

The regular floors outside the core had a 4.35 inch thick concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan supported by a truss network. Inside the core the slab thickness ranged from 4.35 to 5.5 inches.

The mechanical floors had a 6 inch concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan, both inside and outside the core, and were supported by I-beams outside the core at floors 41, 43, 75, and 77.

 

[scott3x]

Here are some short links on the umbrella man and the umbrella, including the transcript from the Church committee hearings about the dart launchers and darts.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/TUM.html

http://www.jfk-assassination.de/articles/umbrella.php

Good reading, thanks . The second one I'd read most of already, because it comes from the part of Crossfire that I'd read, but it had a bit more and the picture of the umbrella close to JFK's car was the best I've seen.

 

[scott3x]

Scott, I searched the paper and found this on page 25

The red layer of the red/gray chips is most interesting in
that it contains aluminum, iron and oxygen components
which are intimately mixed at a scale of approximately 100
nanometers (nm) or less.

So the paper makes no mention of any of the red/gray chip active particles being anywhere above 100 nm in size.

and finally there is another quote from a paper by Gash etal dated April 2000 that states

“Nanostructured composites are multicomponent
materials in which at least one of the component
phases has one or more dimensions
(length, width, or thickness) in the nanometer
size range, defined as 1 to 100 nm.

So this should put any conjecture about what is meant by nanometer size particles to bed.

Nice . But it seems I'm not looking at the same paper from Harrit or atleast not the same version, because I see no page numbers...

 

[scott3x]

This is a XEDS spectrum of submicron plates of alumina:

This is Harrits XEDS spectrum for the aluminium rich regions:

(note that Magnesium is in fact present in this spectrum).

For the record, here we have another Figure from Harrit's 'paper':

It shows the presence of Zinc and Chromium - also note that although Harrit hasn't labled it as such, the peak for Magnesium is also evident on this spectrum..

So Zinc and Chromium are present in or on the chip before treatment with MEK, and Magnesium is still present in or on the chip after treatment with MEK...

And I'm lost again. Just when I thought I knew the score :-/.

 

[Trippy]

The regular floors outside the core had a 4.35 inch thick concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan supported by a truss network. Inside the core the slab thickness ranged from 4.35 to 5.5 inches.

The mechanical floors had a 6 inch concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan, both inside and outside the core, and were supported by I-beams outside the core at floors 41, 43, 75, and 77.

Cool.

My point being however that the volume of concrete is known, and calculable.

 

[Trippy]

And I'm lost again. Just when I thought I knew the score :-/.

The score is:

1. Harrits Submicron aluminium rich plates produce a XEDS spectra indentical to other submicron alumina plates.
2. Harrit aknowldeges that Zinc, Chromium, and Magnesium are found in the chips before MEK treatment.
3. Almost everywhere there is Silicon, there is also Aluminium, and Oxygen.
4. Everywhere there is aluminium, there is Oxygen.
5. The aluminium rich platets do not react with the MEK inspite of the fact that the seperation of them from the silicon rich areas implies they were directly in contact with it.

All of the above are consistent with the paint chip interpretation.

 

[scott3x]

The regular floors outside the core had a 4.35 inch thick concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan supported by a truss network. Inside the core the slab thickness ranged from 4.35 to 5.5 inches.

The mechanical floors had a 6 inch concrete slab on a corrugated floor pan, both inside and outside the core, and were supported by I-beams outside the core at floors 41, 43, 75, and 77.

Cool.

My point being however that the volume of concrete is known, and calculable.

Not exactly. As far as I know, the person who has done the most to try to figure out the amount of concrete in the towers is Jerry Russell. I personally asked him, after an initial estimate of 650,000 tons, how he had arrived at his updated figure of 90,000 tons. Here is his response:
http://crookedshepherds.wordpress.c...on-overflight-concept-vindicated/#comment-624

 

[Tony Szamboti]

Cool.

My point being however that the volume of concrete is known, and calculable.

I agree with that concerning the concrete.

 

[Trippy]

The score is:

1. Harrits Submicron aluminium rich plates produce a XEDS spectra indentical to other submicron alumina plates.
2. Harrit aknowldeges that Zinc, Chromium, and Magnesium are found in the chips before MEK treatment.
3. Almost everywhere there is Silicon, there is also Aluminium, and Oxygen.
4. Everywhere there is aluminium, there is Oxygen.
5. The aluminium rich platets do not react with the MEK inspite of the fact that the seperation of them from the silicon rich areas implies they were directly in contact with it.

All of the above are consistent with the paint chip interpretation.

Just before anybody points it out.

I haven't commented on relative amounts as far as Zn, Cr and Mg go.
I also haven't looked into relative amounts.

 

[Trippy]

Not exactly. As far as I know, the person who has done the most to try to figure out the amount of concrete in the towers is Jerry Russell. I personally asked him, after an initial estimate of 650,000 tons, how he had arrived at his updated figure of 90,000 tons. Here is his response:
http://crookedshepherds.wordpress.c...on-overflight-concept-vindicated/#comment-624

Great.

But I was talking about Volume not mass.

 

[scott3x]

And I'm lost again. Just when I thought I knew the score :-/.

The score is:

1. Harrits Submicron aluminium rich plates produce a XEDS spectra indentical to other submicron alumina plates.
2. Harrit aknowldeges that Zinc, Chromium, and Magnesium are found in the chips before MEK treatment.
3. Almost everywhere there is Silicon, there is also Aluminium, and Oxygen.
4. Everywhere there is aluminium, there is Oxygen.
5. The aluminium rich platets do not react with the MEK inspite of the fact that the seperation of them from the silicon rich areas implies they were directly in contact with it.

All of the above are consistent with the paint chip interpretation.

I see. I guess I'll have to wait for my truth movement buddies to answer that (hopefully in a civil way ;-)).

 

[scott3x]

Cool.

My point being however that the volume of concrete is known, and calculable.

Not exactly. As far as I know, the person who has done the most to try to figure out the amount of concrete in the towers is Jerry Russell. I personally asked him, after an initial estimate of 650,000 tons, how he had arrived at his updated figure of 90,000 tons. Here is his response:
http://crookedshepherds.wordpress.c...on-overflight-concept-vindicated/#comment-624

Great.

But I was talking about Volume not mass.

Ah ok. Didn't this all start with psikey though? From what I remember, he wants to know the mass, not the volume.

 

[KennyJC]

The score is:

1. Harrits Submicron aluminium rich plates produce a XEDS spectra indentical to other submicron alumina plates.
2. Harrit aknowldeges that Zinc, Chromium, and Magnesium are found in the chips before MEK treatment.
3. Almost everywhere there is Silicon, there is also Aluminium, and Oxygen.
4. Everywhere there is aluminium, there is Oxygen.
5. The aluminium rich platets do not react with the MEK inspite of the fact that the seperation of them from the silicon rich areas implies they were directly in contact with it.

All of the above are consistent with the paint chip interpretation.

Not to mention:

IT LOOKS EXACTLY LIKE THE PAINT!

It's no wonder the truth movement died...

 

[KennyJC]

I suggest you read my post on this subject, which can be found in the JFK and 9/11 thread here:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=2300639&postcount=44

I have absolutely no wish to read any of your ramblings on the subject. You have not made one honest statement anywhere in this forum that I am aware of.

In fairness, however, Jim Marrs, who has written a book on the JFK assassination

Jim Marrs is a respected authority in honest investigation now? Respectable to who? Nutbars like yourself? You.. who thinks we have video footage of a fire truck being englufed in molten steel?

 

[capslockf9]

What lies the US gov'ment dont lie.
Forget about - George Bush Sr. lied about Iran-Contra Ronald Reagan lied like a nasty old rug about Iran and aiding the Contras also , Lyndon Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to gain support for the Vietnam war.

 

[leopold]

The score is:

1. Harrits Submicron aluminium rich plates produce a XEDS spectra indentical to other submicron alumina plates.
2. Harrit aknowldeges that Zinc, Chromium, and Magnesium are found in the chips before MEK treatment.
3. Almost everywhere there is Silicon, there is also Aluminium, and Oxygen.
4. Everywhere there is aluminium, there is Oxygen.
5. The aluminium rich platets do not react with the MEK inspite of the fact that the seperation of them from the silicon rich areas implies they were directly in contact with it.

All of the above are consistent with the paint chip interpretation.

i believe i also read in harritts paper that when he compared the results of the red/grey chips to the results of prepared thermite test samples the comparison did not match.

does anybody remember the post in which harritts paper is presented or has a link to the paper?
i believe headspin posted it, not sure though.

 

[leopold]

Ah ok. Didn't this all start with psikey though? From what I remember, he wants to know the mass, not the volume.

if psikey cannot figure out the mass of a known substance from its volume then he has no business constructing WTC models

 

[leopold]

What lies the US gov'ment dont lie.
Forget about - George Bush Sr. lied about Iran-Contra Ronald Reagan lied like a nasty old rug about Iran and aiding the Contras also , . . .

both of these could in fact be carried out without the presidents knowledge or approval.

 

[scott3x]

What lies the US gov'ment dont lie.
Forget about - George Bush Sr. lied about Iran-Contra Ronald Reagan lied like a nasty old rug about Iran and aiding the Contras also , Lyndon Johnson lied about the Gulf of Tonkin to gain support for the Vietnam war.

Hey capslock; welcome to the thread .

 

[scott3x]

I have absolutely no wish to read any of your ramblings on the subject.

If you don't like my writing, by all means don't read it. It'd be nice if you'd quit with all the distracting insults as well, but I guess that might be hoping for more than you can deliver.