Originally Posted by scott3xCan you cite a source that, as you put it, would believe that it made "all the difference in the world" if the collapse took 5 seconds longer then they thought?
No need. The constant refrain of "free fall!" still rings in my ears.
You're confusing issues. I'm not asking if people claimed it fell at free fall speeds. I'm asking you if you can cite a claim that stated that 5 seconds would have, in your words, made "all the difference in the world" if the collapse took 5 seconds longer then they thought.
The buildings shouldn't have collapsed at all if all the buildings suffered were airliner collisions and their relatively insignificant fires (insignificant to the building structures, not to the people who were exposed to them).
Of course, those fires weren't insignificant, and neither was the kind of damage the planes inflicted.
Let's see what an expert on the WTC buildings has to say about that:
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I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door,...
this intense grid,... and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting.
It really does nothing to the screen netting.
You can listen to Frank A. DeMartini, the WTC Construction and Project Manager, saying this in this video:
WTC Construction Manager states WTC would survive multiple airplane strikes (0.8 MB DivX3 320x240).
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http://guardian.150m.com/wtc/demartini.htm
Highly unlikely from what I've heard. Even if it magically took off all the fire insulation it came across, there is significant evidence that it would have made little difference.
There simply isn't, Scott: this is false.
Here's an excerpt from an article from the South Bend Tribune; you have to pay 1.95$ to get the article from there now, but I do include a link to it from another source at the end of this excerpt:
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SOUTH BEND -- The laboratory director from a South Bend firm has been fired for attempting to cast doubt on the federal investigation into what caused the World Trade Center's twin towers to collapse on Sept. 11, 2001....
...Ryan wrote that the institute's preliminary reports suggest the WTC's supports were probably exposed to fires no hotter than 500 degrees -- only half the 1,100-degree temperature needed to forge steel, Ryan said. That's also much cooler, he wrote, than the 3,000 degrees needed to melt bare steel with no fire-proofing.
"This story just does not add up," Ryan wrote in his e-mail to Frank Gayle, deputy chief of the institute's metallurgy division, who is playing a prominent role in the agency investigation. "If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers."
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Floor 98 was not in the centre of the impact area, but was struck by a portion of the aircraft. The fuselage and the engines hit floors 95 and 96, whereas floor 98 was only hit by the outer section of the plane’s starboard wing. Five of the perimeter columns on floor 98 were severed. If 50% of the building’s gravity load is assumed to be carried by the columns in the building's core and 50% by the 236 perimeter columns, the five severed perimeter columns would have degraded floor 98’s ability to bear the gravity load it supported by slightly more than 1%.[/i]
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And how much damage did the fires do in terms of carrying strength of the steel? This is a salient point that no 9/11 Troofer, to my knowledge, has ever tried to meaningfully address.
What is the difference between gravity load bearing and "carrying strength"?
This is what I said exactly
"1- You seem to be working for the government. As such, I believe you may have an impulse, be it unconscious or conscious or some mix of the 2, to want to see all of it in a good light."
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.ph...postcount=1260
Thankyou; my point is handily illustrated. Why in particular would any individual government worker have any reason to so paint events?
Because you work for a branch of the government. Who wants to think that their employer could have such shady people in its upper echelons? However, there is something I'm curious about; are you a an assistant professor in a university? If so, then you would be comparable to someone like Steven Jones (who was a full fledged professor in a university). Ofcourse, Steven Jones was put on paid leave with an eye towards terminating him when he didn't shut up about his views...
And who, exactly, would -he- be working for?
Well, the government, naturally! He has the cubicle next to mine.
Very funny .
Well, there we are. One is free to cast about aspersions. Who am I likely to be working for? The Lizardoids! You claim this was some tenuous association, but the subtle meaning of your argument persists.
I'm chuckling softly right now . The only thing I was implying was that because you work for a branch of the US government, you might be less inclined to believe that its upper echelons would be capable of such heinous acts.