Brent Blanchard and his team (amongst other experts on site) had nothing to do with the government.
Jim Hoffman deals with Blanchard in the following article:
http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/blanchard/index.html
I didn't read beyond the beginning paragraph, which I'll excerpt:
"The article critiqued here, A CRITICAL ANALYSIS OF THE COLLAPSE OF WTC TOWERS 1, 2 & 7 FROM AN EXPLOSIVES AND CONVENTIONAL DEMOLITION INDUSTRY VIEWPOINT , is one of several technical articles defending official explanations of the total collapses of the World Trade Center towers published shortly before the fifth anniversary of the 9/11/2001 attack.
Following publication of Blanchard's article, The National Institute for Standards and Technology (NIST) published its Answers to Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ). Whereas NIST relies heavily on the straw-man technique, primarily highlighting claims based on fallacies, Blanchard appears to address several serious arguments against the official explanations. However, he fails to articulate these arguments and skirts them with replies laced with fallacies."
Even volunteers were allowed on the site which I don't think is something that would be allowed to happen if there was evidence of controlled demolition everywhere in the rubble.
Alright, I'd like you to cite a source that contradicts the claims that the noted author Jim Marrs has brought up in his book, namely what I brought up in my opening paragraph in a post a little earlier in this thread:
http://www.sciforums.com/showpost.php?p=1987002&postcount=205
This is just some random conspiracy theorist who doesn't have anything to offer. We can just watch the video of the collapse and we see what he saw.
Actually, I think I can agree with you here. The thing is, when I hear those buildings falling, I believe I hear explosives going off; a lot more of them then the sample demolition that was shown and I think they can certainly be confused with the building simply coming down, but I believe I can hear them. I must admit that to date I haven't seen a counter to the specific argument of whether the explosives should be heard more clearly. But simply because I haven't seen this issue addressed yet doesn't mean that an expert explanation isn't out there. I have also heard that one can see that the building was exploding and from some photos I've seen, not to mention some of the video, this definitely seems to be the case.
Accompanied by explosions? I have not heard any such thing in dozens of different cameras that recorded the collapse.
I think what it essentially boils down to is that what you take as the noise of the building alone, others take for noise of explosions as well as the building collapsing.
Even in controlled demolitions, pulverization isn't caused by explosives, it's caused by the more destructive downfall and collision with the ground and other parts of the building.
That's not what Jim Marrs is saying. Can you cite a source?
No, but many people and cameras were and none describe loud explosions immediately before the towers collapsed.
Please; a lot of people describe hearing huge explosions or bombs. One of the clips shown here (perhaps you showed it to me) has a reporter saying so.
I'm all ears... what sophisticated techniques are there for silent bombs?
I never said silent bombs, just bombs that make less noise then a typical demolition; I'm fairly convinced that essentially the World Trade buildings had a lot of smaller bombs instead of just a few big ones to mitigate the sound. I'm not the only one who believes they saw small explosions; from "The Terror Conspiracy" (page 41):
Ross Milanyth watched the horror at the WTC from his office window on the 22nd floor of a building a couple of blocks away. "[I saw] small explosions on each floor. And after it all cleared, all that was left of the buildings, you could just see the steel girders in like a triangular sail shape. The structure was completely gone", he said.
Dust clouds are not any indication of explosives. Dust clouds would be a feature of any building collapse whether it be controlled or otherwise.
Do you have a video wherein a normal building falls without the use of explosives so we could compare?
That's because demolition teams probably protect windows. On 9/11 the only windows that broke were lower down where they had more chance of being hit by debris. We would have seen more uniform in window breakage if it was indeed a controlled demolition.
Can you cite a source for this? I also think that using a lot of small explosives might have mitigated this but I freely admit this is speculation on my part. However, I'm certainly not the only one who believes there were multiple small explosions. From "The Terror Conspiracy", page 47:
Paramedic Daniel Rivera: "At first I thought it was- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear, 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'? That's exactly what- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that's when I saw the building coming down."
Except that doing so would be impossible to go undetected. Just ask any demolition expert what goes into bringing a building down, then ask them if it would be possible to go it in a busy office building without anyone noticing.
I never said that it went unnoticed. I brought it up in an earlier post in another thread here; there were some emergency drills before 9/11 that were in fact used to place bombs throughout the building. Again from ""The Terror Conspiracy":
"..if there were bombs in the towers, how did they get there?
With the buildings turned to powdered ash and the metal quickly hauled away, no one will ever be certain but some interesting theories have been advanced...
..[a] theory emerged after Ben Fountain, a financial analyst who worked on the 47th floor of the South Tower, told People magazine that in the weeks preceeding 9/11 there were numerous unusual and unannounced "drills" in which sections of both towers as well as Building 7 were evacuated for "security reasons." These drills could have provided a perfect cover for persons planting explosives.
Reporting in
The American Reporter, an electronic daily newspaper, Margie Burns cited President Bush's younger brother, Marvin P. Bush, as a principal in a company called Securacom that provided security for the World Trade Center, United Airlines and Dulles International Airport. The company, Burns noted, was backed by KuwAm, a Kuwaiti-American investment firm.
Securacom has since changed its name to Stratesec, but is still backed by KuwAm. Marvin Bush, who did not respond to repeated interview requests from The American Reporter, is no longer on the board of either company and has not been linked with any terrorist activities. According to its present CEO, Barry McDaniel, the company had an ongoing contract to handle security at the World Trade Center "up to the day the buildings fell down."
Many people lost their lives in the collapse of the Twin Towers because the public address system advised workers to return to their desks. Who exactly ordered that broadcast over the loudspeakers in the South Tower as workers were trying to evacute, "Remain calm, damage is in Tower One. Return to your desks."? Many people lost their lives because of these announcements. Minutes later the towers collapsed unexpectedly."
If WTC7 had no structural damage, no fires, no firefighters saying that the building looked like it would collapse, then I would agree with you that there was something suspicious there.
Can you cite me an article who shows who started saying it would collapse? From what I remember, it wasn't a firefighter..
You should. [NIST] are experts in their field. Just because their website has a .gov in it doesn't mean they would lie about what happened on 9/11.
True. However, if they felt they might get fired from their jobs if they were to disagree with the party line to much, as was Kevin R. Ryan, they may be more cautious about drawing certain conclusions. From "The Terror Conspiracy", page 53-54:
"A number of experts have disputed the claim that melting structural steel brought down the Twin Towers.
Kevin R. Ryan, was a site manager from Environmental Health Laboratories Inc. in South Bend, IN, a subsidiary of Underwriters Laboratories Inc. (UL), the giant product safety testing firm. In 2003, Ryan wrote to Frank Gayle, deputy chief of the Metallurgy Division of the National Institute of Standards and Technology's (NIST) Material Science and Engineering Laboratory, challenging the theory that burning jet fuel weakened the towers' structural steel, causing them to fall.
In this communication, Ryan wrote: "As I'm sure you know, the company I work for certified the steel components used in the construction of the WTC buildings... the samples we certified met all requirements... the results of these tests appear to indicate that the buildings should have easily withstood the thermal stress caused by pools of burning jet fuel."
Ryan went on to question the conclusions of "experts", including Dr. Hyman Brown, who have claimed that the towers collapse was caused by structural steel melting at temperatures of 2000 degrees Fahrenheit.
Reiterating that his company had certified the steel to withstand temperatures of 2000 degrees for several hours, Ryan wrote: "I think we can all agree that even un-fireproofed steel will not metl until reaching red-hot temperatures of 3000F. Why Dr. Brown would imply that 2000F would melt the high grade steel used in those buildings makes no sense at all"
"This story just does not add up", Ryan concluded. "If steel from those buildings did soften or melt, I'm sure we can all agree that this was certainly not due to jet fuel fires of any kind, let alone the briefly burning fires in those towers. That fact should be a great concern to all Americans. Alternatively, the contention that this steel did fail at temperatures around 250C suggests that the majority of deaths on 9/11 were due to a safety-related failure. That suggestion should be of great concern to my company."
Although Ryan made it clear that he was speaking only for himself, not his company, his employers' reaction was decisive. On November 2004, the South Bend Tribune carried this headline: "South Bend firm's lab director fired after questioning federal prove". UL officials denied any testing of the WTC steel and said Ryan was terminated because his letter was written "without the UL's knowledge or authorization."
Remember when you said "not all government officials are corrupt"? Well NIST is comprised of 2,900 scientists, engineers, technicians, and support and administrative personnel.
I'm sure most would like to keep their jobs too.
This is where you prove your dishonesty. The cameras were a stones throw from the tower as it collapsed and no explosions were picked up. Then you go on to say that the inevitable rumble of the tower falling is in itself an explosion, which could loosely be true, except that the rumble of the tower is not a bomb. In controlled demolition you hear bombs going off BEFORE the tower falls, and even if they were somehow going off in real time as the building fell, to make it look like a pancake collapse, you would hear the sounds of explosives over the top of the rumble of the collapse. I heard no punctuation of explosives in the 2 videos I posted. Just the slow consistent rumble of the tower falling.
I and others believe we can hear them, you and others don't. Because of this, I think we should try to look for more conclusive evidence..
If the top half of the building begins to fall, it's not going to suddenly halt when it lands on the next floor. Each floor is not designed to hold up to the sudden jolt caused by the massive weight of floors above landing on to it. They cave in without much opposition.
It seems you keep on ignoring the link I'm sending you, so I'll put the first paragraph, in the hopes that it'll encourage you to read further in:
"Why Have So Many Been Taken for a Ride?
One of the problems we have with the fraudulent claims that are made regarding the existence of self-crushing steel frame buildings is the fact that many people lack an intuitive sense of the strength and resilience of these structures. They have allowed themselves to become convinced by an alleged scenario that is physically impossible. My Erector Set illustration is intended to address this problem."
Here's the rest:
http://truememes.com/mackey.html
They do nothing to describe controlled demolition. An explosion being heard in the basement over an hour before the building collapses does not lead to suspicions of controlled demolition.
I will admit I'm not sure why an explosive device would have been used at that time. I believe it was used to initially weaken the building; perhaps it was done so they wouldn't have to use so much explosives when the building actually came down.
Especially when the basement played no part in the collapse of either tower.
I have seen no evidence of that so far.
NIST already interviewed multiple people who describe explosive flames coming out of the elevator shafts in floors below where the plane hit.
I wonder if they interviewed Mike Pecoraro. From "The Terror Conspiracy", page 43:
"Mike Pecoraro told
The Chief Engineer magazine he was working in the 6th sub-basement of the North Tower when the lights flickered. This was followed by a loud explosion. Pecoraro and a coworker made their way up to a C level machine shop but found it "gone." "There was nothing there but rubble", recalled Pecoraro. "We're talking about a 50-ton hydraulic press- gone!"
Working their way upwards to a parking garage, the pair found it too was destroyed. "There were no walls, there was rubble on the floor and you can't see anything", Pecoraro recalled. Ascending two more levels to the tower's lobby, they were astonished to find more debris including a 300-pound steel and concrete fire door wrinkled up "like a piece of aluminum foil." By now, Pecoraro was convinced that a bomb had gone off in the building.
I wouldn't expect that to be many. Regardless, their demonstrations at ground zero (especially on anniversaries) reminds me of fundamentalists protesting at the funerals of gay people.
Well, whatever it reminds you of, the point is there are a lot of people who believe that the official story regarding 9/11 is seriously flawed.
They would believe that regardless. From the moment the North tower was hit, it was set in stone that this was a government conspiracy in the minds of people like you.
Actually, it wasn't. I saw the North tower being hit live and I had no idea who had done it. Then, when reports started streaming in that it was Bin Laden, I believed it. I hadn't even read a book by Jim Marrs yet. It was soon after that, however, that my brother passed me the first book I was to read from Jim, called "Rule by Secrecy".
The people making up the stories are people like you. The 'faked calls' conspiracy is one of the most disgusting lies repeated by conspiracy theorists. Many of the calls were indepth and very emotional for all concerned and along comes a fool like you to tell the families that it was faked.
I never said that -all- the calls were faked. I strongly remember, however, that there was a lot of people questioning the calls from the plane that was allegedly heading for the pentagon.
Stop calling it the "official story". It's called history. This is why this why conspiracy threads are in "pseudoscience".
Perhaps it's what will be in the history books, but it is also the official story. There are lots of people, however, who hope that the history books will be a little more honest. As to why these threads are in pseudoscience, I think a little info from the sticky in this forum is in order:
"Pseudoscience is a forum dedicated to Theories and Science that currently aren't scientifically proven and untested."
True enough, it hasn't been proven that 9/11 was an inside job. But I think the evidence suggesting this is much stronger then the official story and I'm far from alone on that belief.
You have gone out of your way to read books by worthless conspiracy writers and trust him over the experts in NIST amongst others.
Alright, I've made it clear that I don't trust NIST experts. And I think it's equally clear that you don't trust certain writers I've quoted. But while I am fine with you pointing out what you find flawed in the writings of my sources, I don't really see how you help your argument by saying they're worthless. I think we should simply let the best argument win instead of just insulting the sources we use or (worse yet) each other.