10 principles for investigating UFO reports

paddoboy said:
Hynek like Hoyle were otherwise reputable scientists, and there are a few others.......There will always be an exception in any discipline: That doesn't make them right.
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Hynek was a sekptic pad , but he relised ; that there was something going on he could not explain .

He was part of the project Sign ; Project Grudge and Project Blue Book .

His credentials ;

Astrophyscis , Physics and Astronomy ; specialized in Steller evolution and Spectroscopic binary stars .
 
river said:
Hynek was a sekptic pad , but he relised ; that there was something going on he could not explain .

He was part of the project Sign ; Project Grudge and Project Blue Book .

His credentials ;

Astrophyscis , Physics and Astronomy ; specialized in Steller evolution and Spectroscopic binary stars .
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I know who he was and his record.
Fred Hoyle was also a great scientists/astronomer/cosmologist, but he was also wrong in his rejection of the BB and the overwhelming evidence supporting it, due to his infatuation with "Steady State" and not wanting to give the ID supporters any credence.
But they were and are both wrong.
 
paddoboy said:
I know who he was and his record.
Fred Hoyle was also a great scientists/astronomer/cosmologist, but he was also wrong in his rejection of the BB and the overwhelming evidence supporting it, due to his infatuation with "Steady State" and not wanting to give the ID supporters any credence.
But they were and are both wrong.
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You can't compare the two pad .

Your comparing apples and oranges ; can't be done .

Hynek was right in his reevaluation of the evidence .
 
paddoboy said:
Sure you can: They were both Astronomers :rolleyes:

Hynek was right in that they were UFO's.
He was wrong on his unsupported, unevidenced suggestions.
The last time I looked, they still remain as UFO's.
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Pad is trying to poison the well by comparing Hynek to Hoyle.

Don't forget this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._McDonald

"The scope of the present statement precludes anything approaching an exhaustive listing of categories of UFO phenomena: much of what might be made clear at great length will have to be compressed into my remark that the scientific world at large is in for a shock when it becomes aware of the astonishing nature of the UFO phenomenon and its bewildering complexity. I make that terse comment well aware that it invites easy ridicule; but intellectual honesty demands that I make clear that my two years' study convinces me that in the UFO problem lie scientific and technological questions that will challenge the ability of the world's outstanding scientists to explain - as soon as they start examining the facts."--James McDonald
 
Magical Realist said:
Pad is trying to poison the well by comparing Hynek to Hoyle.

Don't forget this one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_E._McDonald
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:D
Poison the well? You mean stating it as it is.
I already said......
paddoboy said:
Hynek like Hoyle were otherwise reputable scientists, and there are a few others.......There will always be an exception in any discipline: That doesn't make them right.
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Again, in any discipline one likes to investigate, there have always been exceptions to the rule, and most times [not all] they are proven wrong. ;)

Is that muddying the waters too MR? :rolleyes:
 
paddoboy said:
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Poison the well? You mean stating it as it is.
I already said......

Again, in any discipline one likes to investigate, there have always been exceptions to the rule, and most times [not all] they are proven wrong. ;)

Is that muddying the waters too MR? :rolleyes:
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It is pad

Apples and oranges
 
Magical Realist said:
What was Hynek wrong about? Be specific now so we know you aren't making shit up..
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I leave the "making of shit up" to you MR, as I have always done. ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek
In Hynek and Vallee's 1975 book The Edge of Reality, Hynek published a stereoscopic photograph of a UFO he took during a flight. According to the book, the object stayed in sight long enough for Hynek to unpack his camera from his luggage and take two exposures.[16][17] UFO researcher Robert Sheaffer writes in his book Psychic Vibrations that Hynek seemed to have forgotten the photographs when he later told a reporter for The Globe and Mail that he had never seen a UFO.[18] The article states that in all the years he had been looking upward, Hynek "has never seen 'what I would so dearly love to see. Oh, the subject has been so ridiculed that I would never report a UFO even if I did see one—not without a witness'"
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"has never seen 'what I would so dearly love to see. Oh, the subject has been so ridiculed that I would never report a UFO even if I did see one—not without a witness'"
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That's all you got? Him not coming forward with those photos?

Yeah...you were making shit up alright..:rolleyes:
 
paddoboy said:
I leave the "making of shit up" to you MR, as I have always done. ;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek
In Hynek and Vallee's 1975 book The Edge of Reality, Hynek published a stereoscopic photograph of a UFO he took during a flight. According to the book, the object stayed in sight long enough for Hynek to unpack his camera from his luggage and take two exposures.[16][17] UFO researcher Robert Sheaffer writes in his book Psychic Vibrations that Hynek seemed to have forgotten the photographs when he later told a reporter for The Globe and Mail that he had never seen a UFO.[18] The article states that in all the years he had been looking upward, Hynek "has never seen 'what I would so dearly love to see. Oh, the subject has been so ridiculed that I would never report a UFO even if I did see one—not without a witness'"
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Telling is it not pad ; ridiculed
 
river said:
Telling is it not pad ; ridiculed
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:rolleyes:Factual accounts and logic in the face of unscientific paranormal, and supernatural nonsense is quite telling river.
On that scale though you are a few points [being for gullibility] above MR, who has outright rejected your previous mythical claim of an Alien nuclear war on Mars. Perhaps if you two got together more often, with your myths and merged them, you could stage more of a united if mythical and nonsensical front on this forum. Would be good for a few laughs! :D
river said:
That's all you got? Him not coming forward with those photos?

Yeah...you were making shit up alright
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Shows Hynek up as rather a dementia sufferer or a bloody liar! ;)
Familiar territory for you? :rolleyes:
 
Shows Hynek up as rather a dementia sufferer or a bloody liar!
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Howso? He said he wouldn't admit to seeing a ufo even if he did see one. And he didn't. That's neither dementia nor lying.

You're continued attempts at poisoning the well are noted..
 
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Magical Realist said:
Howso? He said he wouldn't admit to seeing a ufo even if he did see one. And he didn't. That's neither dementia nor lying.

You're continued attempts at poisoning the well are noted..
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Again, I leave that sort of stuff for the likes of yourself MR......;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek
In Hynek and Vallee's 1975 book The Edge of Reality, Hynek published a stereoscopic photograph of a UFO he took during a flight. According to the book, the object stayed in sight long enough for Hynek to unpack his camera from his luggage and take two exposures.[16][17] UFO researcher Robert Sheaffer writes in his book Psychic Vibrations that Hynek seemed to have forgotten the photographs
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Take your pick, dementia or lying...or both!
 
paddoboy said:
Again, I leave that sort of stuff for the likes of yourself MR......;)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/J._Allen_Hynek
In Hynek and Vallee's 1975 book The Edge of Reality, Hynek published a stereoscopic photograph of a UFO he took during a flight. According to the book, the object stayed in sight long enough for Hynek to unpack his camera from his luggage and take two exposures.[16][17] UFO researcher Robert Sheaffer writes in his book Psychic Vibrations that Hynek seemed to have forgotten the photographs
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Take your pick, dementia or lying...or both!
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Did he claim it was a ufo? Exact quote please..

"Allen was aboard an airliner when he suddenly noticed a white object at his altitude, seemingly flying at the same speed as the plane. He made sure it wasnt a reflection and he convinced himself it must be some faraway cloud with an unusual shape. He pulled out his camera to see how fast he could snap pictures. In all he took two pairs of stereoscopic photographs and gave it no more thought."

Picture of UFO taken by J. Allen Hynek
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