Kevin Ryan, NIST and Underwriter Laboratories, Round 5, Part 4
This post is in response to the 4th part of shaman_'s post 634 in this thread.
Yes, David Ray Griffin was a professor in theology and Jim Marrs has written a book that details a lot of information that can lead one to believe that aliens exist and even tries to get to the reason aliens may be here to begin with in his book "Alien Agenda". They've also both written more then one book regarding evidence that can lead one to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I doubt you've read any of those books, however.
Indeed. I have never maintained that Kevin Ryan or anyone else saying it is so is evidence either.
Kevin Ryan has done more then just comment. He has provided persuasive evidence and has himself quoted some people who certainly should have known a great deal concerning the WTC building steel assemblies.
And I am trying to point out to you that he seems to have been the employee in Underwriter Laboratories who dedicated the most time and effort into finding out what really happened on 9/11. You focus way too much on his job description and way too little on what he actually did. You and I don't have official jobs to ascertain what happened on 9/11, but we certainly have spent a fair amount of time on it for some time now. Kevin Ryan has spent more and he was a manager in the company that tested the WTC steel assemblies. He took it upon himself to speak to the various people who certainly should have known a fair amount about the testing of the steel assemblies that UL did and, when he dared to question the NIST report, he was fired.
This post is in response to the 4th part of shaman_'s post 634 in this thread.
scott3x said:As to whether they're the best experts, I would argue that they are the best experts on certain subjects, particularly the subject of the WTC collapses. For experts on all the subjects that 9/11 brings up, I'd turn to noted authors David Ray Griffin and Jim Marrs.
lol What great additions to your team of experts, the theologian and the ufo guy.
Yes, David Ray Griffin was a professor in theology and Jim Marrs has written a book that details a lot of information that can lead one to believe that aliens exist and even tries to get to the reason aliens may be here to begin with in his book "Alien Agenda". They've also both written more then one book regarding evidence that can lead one to believe that 9/11 was an inside job. I doubt you've read any of those books, however.
shaman_ said:scott3x said:I'd ask you to present his evidence.
So you agree that Mackey saying it so is not evidence right?
Indeed. I have never maintained that Kevin Ryan or anyone else saying it is so is evidence either.
shaman_ said:scott3x said:From wikipedia:
"Evidence in its broadest sense includes everything that is used to determine or demonstrate the truth of an assertion."
So: If his statements help determine the truth, they can be seen as evidence.
The problem here is that you are quoting Ryan’s comments on steel as if that alone is evidence.
Kevin Ryan has done more then just comment. He has provided persuasive evidence and has himself quoted some people who certainly should have known a great deal concerning the WTC building steel assemblies.
I am trying to point out to you that Ryan saying the building shouldn’t have collapsed is not compelling evidence because he was a chemist who worked with water.
And I am trying to point out to you that he seems to have been the employee in Underwriter Laboratories who dedicated the most time and effort into finding out what really happened on 9/11. You focus way too much on his job description and way too little on what he actually did. You and I don't have official jobs to ascertain what happened on 9/11, but we certainly have spent a fair amount of time on it for some time now. Kevin Ryan has spent more and he was a manager in the company that tested the WTC steel assemblies. He took it upon himself to speak to the various people who certainly should have known a fair amount about the testing of the steel assemblies that UL did and, when he dared to question the NIST report, he was fired.