I just thought this was an interesting article. http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.4462
"Take me to you leader..." http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2010-09/27/alien-ambassador
In September 2010, several news sources reported the United Nations would soon appoint Mazlan to be the ambassador for extraterrestrial contact,[7][8] apparently basing their claims on remarks she made suggesting that the UN coordinate any international response to such contact, and her scheduled appearance on a Royal Society panel that October, "Towards a scientific and societal agenda on extra-terrestrial life."[9] However, a UN spokesperson dismissed the reports as "nonsense", dismissing any plan to expand the mandate of UNOOSA,[10] and in an email to The Guardian, Othman stated, in compliance to the wishes of the United Nations, "It sounds really cool but I have to deny it."[11] She later explained that her talk would illustrate how extraterrestrial affairs could become a topic of discussion at the UN, using as an example the advocacy that led to UN discussion of near-Earth objects and space debris.[12]
Mazulu, you never seem to be able to get anything right.
I don't know why you're trolling at me.
I don't know why you're trolling at me.
Pointing out that you post crap, and don't understand what you link to is hardly trolling.
That's nothing more than an ad homimen attack.You're more confused. You've been trolling this site, and other sites, with nonsense since the first post you made. You suffer from either an extreme case of intellectual dishonesty or psychosis. Probably both.
That's nothing more than an ad homimen attack.
Questions about the notion of an ad hominem fallacy
Doug Walton has argued that ad hominem reasoning is not always fallacious, and that in some instances, questions of personal conduct, character, motives, etc., are legitimate and relevant to the issue,[13] as when it directly involves hypocrisy, or actions contradicting the subject's words.
The philosopher Charles Taylor has argued that ad hominem reasoning is essential to understanding certain moral issues, and contrasts this sort of reasoning with the apodictic reasoning of philosophical naturalism.[14]
Why wouldn't aliens obey the Golden rule? After all, if alien species A is willing to wipe us out, what protects species A from species B which is more powerful? Wouldn't the safest strategy be to embrace some kind of spiritual doctrine of peace, love and tolerance? Remember the movie Close encounters of the third kind? If you show up at some neighboring planet and put on a big exciting performance that amazes the locals and fills them with a sense of wonder and awe, you're going to make lots of friends.They would probably see us as a threat just like we see them as a possible threat and then they may ask us what we are doing in their space or just blow us up. In a way we are a threat to alien races, because we are just here wondering if they are a threat, without even knowing anything about them. If we see them as a threat, then we would justify acting in a threatning manner. If both races decided that the other was not a threat, then we would probably just troll them when they tried to explain things in our scientific forums about their science and technology.
Why do people not obey the Golden Rules? Even if they where a peace loving culture, it would only take one bad apple at the top to ruin the whole bunch. You couldn't think that aliens would all be the same, just as all people are not the same. The safest strategy could be to embrace intolerance of alien species. The problem child of the civilization would then not be able to cause problems with other alien civilizations, if they tried to keep them mostly segregated. Have you ever seen Star Trek? No matter how good the crew's intentions, the aliens always perceive them as a threat, and then they are always having to bend over backwards in order to please them. They always have to adapt to their culture and if they where not willing to do away with everything in their own culture in order to do that then there would be no chance at peace with that alien civilization. In the Star Trek Universe, they have mostly done away with religion, since the Third World War (never seen any Muslims in Star Trek), if an alien civilization made contact with us, they would have to bend over backwards to try and please our religous fanatics. Then this could prove to be impossible, hopefully they would have screwed up trying to do this enough times that they wouldn't try it by the time they found us.Why wouldn't aliens obey the Golden rule? After all, if alien species A is willing to wipe us out, what protects species A from species B which is more powerful? Wouldn't the safest strategy be to embrace some kind of spiritual doctrine of peace, love and tolerance? Remember the movie Close encounters of the third kind? If you show up at some neighboring planet and put on a big exciting performance that amazes the locals and fills them with a sense of wonder and awe, you're going to make lots of friends.
I don't think anyone would be ready to do that. They would think it would just leave them vunerable to an attack of that nature. Then it would lead to mass extinction levels. For all we know, aliens lander here fifty million years ago and found the dinosaurs and thought well these guys suck, and blew them sky high.Look at it this way. If you have hyper-drive capability, then you also have the ability to annihilate planets using asteroids. If everyone in the galactic community can do this, then distrust, hate and war will quickly lead to extinction level events. The only way to survive is to give up war. Are you ready to do that? Are we ready to do that as a planet?
I think it would have just the opposite effect. They would never be able to accept why they are trying to convert them to some other relegion and then justify being ever bit as evil as we tried to prevent them from being. No religous faction has ever gone down willingly. It would just create confusion, because aliens would most likely have a completely different religion.I think that New Age religions would be the perfect way to promote peace throughout the galaxy. The more you can spread the idea that aliens are loving beings of light and good, the more trust you will earn. Be the New Age fantasy that the locals on some planet need and crave, and you (the aliens) will create friends, trust and peace. Be the fantasy.
I think you just made a good case for a look at nature as the common ground between us and any intelligent life form. Particulars of various religions, here on Earth or anywhere, then could be practiced among those members of the religion, but there could be a common ground set of particulars that included a concept that god and the universe may be one and the same, for example....
I think it would have just the opposite effect. They would never be able to accept why they are trying to convert them to some other relegion and then justify being ever bit as evil as we tried to prevent them from being. No religous faction has ever gone down willingly. It would just create confusion, because aliens would most likely have a completely different religion.
I don't even think it would matter if the same God came and visited every alien civilization. A lot of religions here on Earth use the same Old Testament or the same starting point. They then developed different religions and traditions. Then there are wars still ongoing because of this. We could never expect aliens to have the same religion when we cannot keep the same religion ourselves, even though it was based on the same events. For all we know, Jesus was the same guy as Muhammed. In a lot of Bibles, it says that he journeyed all across the Middle East, but then they are not Christians, really makes you wonder what he was doing there that whole time...I think you just made a good case for a look at nature as the common ground between us and any intelligent life form. Particulars of various religions, here on Earth or anywhere, then could be practiced among those members of the religion, but there could be a common ground set of particulars that included a concept that god and the universe may be one and the same, for example.
We come to the question from different perspectives, I think. I see the possibility for common ground in the statement that God and the universe might be one and the same, and when I go further, I discuss the invariant natural laws as how the universe operates. A religion or religious person may see the common ground, but when they go beyond that they go into the sacred documents and rituals. Two different perspectives with common ground in the middle.I don't even think it would matter if the same God came and visited every alien civilization. A lot of religions here on Earth use the same Old Testament or the same starting point. They then developed different religions and traditions. Then there are wars still ongoing because of this. We could never expect aliens to have the same religion when we cannot keep the same religion ourselves, even though it was based on the same events. For all we know, Jesus was the same guy as Muhammed. In a lot of Bibles, it says that he journeyed all across the Middle East, but then they are not Christians, really makes you wonder what he was doing there that whole time...