kx000
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I often wonder if the world would be a better place with no religion at all.
I mean that humans have no concept of God.
He's a pacifist, and Love himself.
I often wonder if the world would be a better place with no religion at all.
I mean that humans have no concept of God.
This use of "religion" to include something other than a God or Gods is disingenuous. Now "we" are using it to describe any culture or civilization as if anyone would or is arguing against the concept of culture or civilization.
The only reason to do such a thing is to derail this conversation when you can't continue with the conversation in a more honest way.
I submit that anyone who believes in religion believes in wrong things so is my stand inappropriate?Then you are deliberately believing wrong things.
OK if it makes you feel better I accept your meaning.Apologies, I wasn't aware you were playing games.
It seems silly to elevate one human above others and give them a God like status but it happens Jan.IOW a world where everyone is like Alex.
Jan I was seeking your view upon the question I asked which did not imply the world must be like me.A world where everyone is like you?
No.
jan.
AlexDon't you agree we would be better off without a crippling dependency upon made up superstitions supporting all sorts of unrealistic views with no evidence whatsoever in support.
Yes, there is a difference. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of the celebrity and that isn't the case for the supernatural. This is also not the common usage of the word "religion" and therefore has nothing to do with anything we have been discussing.Religion is part of every culture, and every civilisation. Also it is not a separate thing. It is integral. One does not have to worship God, or gods to be religious. If one worships a celebrity, there is no difference in worshiping God, or gods.
I don't know to whom you refer.He's a pacifist, and Love himself.
Understanding kx000 is an acquired skill and one that I haven't acquired yet for the most part. I think he is referring to God and is saying that the violence associated with religion has nothing to do with God's nature.I don't know to whom you refer.
Could you reword your post please I would like to understand what you wish to say.
Alex
Not even atheists believe that all religions are wrong. A religion can be almost anything.I submit that anyone who believes in religion believes in wrong things so is my stand inappropriate?
Of course I accept the word means more than the limitation I set but it certainly means what I have set.
Alex
It is my impression that the word religion once applied exclusively to matters relating to a God or Gods but as time passed it was used to also describe organisations, groups etc that presented a similar dogmatic approach to whatever it was that they believed in.A religion can be almost anything.
I thought similar but as I was uncertain I felt it best to ask.I think he is referring to God and is saying that the violence associated with religion has nothing to do with God's nature.
Religions have historically been more varied than western traditions give them credit. Buddhism, for instance, is ancient, and doesn't have to do with God as it's central teaching, Taoism is even older. South American shamans worship plants and fungi. Religion is a word that is often used as a shortcut for theism, and that's fine, as long as we don't maintain the cultural bias that it only means gods. And yes, discussing this with you is infinitely more rewarding than bouncing thoughts against the wall of rock that is Jan.It is my impression that the word religion once applied exclusively to matters relating to a God or Gods but as time passed it was used to also describe organisations, groups etc that presented a similar dogmatic approach to whatever it was that they believed in.
That is my mere opinion based only upon how I perceive how the word grew over the years.
Like so many discussions it is worthwhile to proceed only after al have agreed upon a definition.
Jan seeks to extend the definition I believe to avoid considering the questions that I present, which clearly I present on the basis, rightly or wrongly, that religion relates to matters concerning God or Gods.
I have made clear what I mean so to embark upon extending the meaning of religion I see as an attempt to avoid addressing the questions I ask.
Jan has a style in my view that is designed to avoid directly addressing the matters that a poster presents.
I enjoy seeing Jan in action but that does not mean that I need fall victim to the tactics Jan often employs.
I see no problem with stating that when I use the word religion I mean strictly only as it applies to matters involving God or Gods and not to other areas where it can be used to reference a dogmatic or ordered approach.
Alex
Yes and no doubt my limited view comes from growing up in a country town where you were either Catholic or Non Catholic.Religions have historically been more varied than western traditions give them credit.
Point taken regarding religions that aren't entirely based on Gods but there is still generally a lot of mysticism involved. When plants and rocks are being worshiped there is usually some "other worldly" aspect being revered. It's still supernatural in part.Religions have historically been more varied than western traditions give them credit. Buddhism, for instance, is ancient, and doesn't have to do with God as it's central teaching, Taoism is even older. South American shamans worship plants and fungi. Religion is a word that is often used as a shortcut for theism, and that's fine, as long as we don't maintain the cultural bias that it only means gods. And yes, discussing this with you is infinitely more rewarding than bouncing thoughts against the wall of rock that is Jan.
If Catholicism was the true religion they would have submitted you. How were you at fighting the Jewish boys or the Protestants?Yes and no doubt my limited view comes from growing up in a country town where you were either Catholic or Non Catholic.
No one knew about anything outside that approach to religion.
But the good thing was religion was confined to Sundays and figured in no way during the rest of the week.
Catholics were the enemy.
The Catholic school kids wore blue shirts for goodness sake they were just so different to us.
After training at the police boys club I would fight in turn two catholic kids who would abuse me as their school bus passed me each day on my way to school.
I would fight one beat him then the other, beat him and would have three or foir fights with each of them each week after training. I never lost a fight to either of them. Not once they could not submit me so I would just fight until I could submit them.
Each week I would have to work out a new submission or tactic because they would figure out how I beat them, so I became rather good because of them, but the interesting thing was in the months or years this happened week in week out we never spoke to each other..well other than them yelling at me on the way to school.
Anyways why would I talk to them they wore blue shirts.
Alex
I was prespeterian??If Catholicism was the true religion they would have submitted you. How were you at fighting the Jewish boys or the Protestants?
Jan seeks to extend the definition I believe to avoid considering the questions that I present, which clearly I present on the basis, rightly or wrongly, that religion relates to matters concerning God or Gods.
I have made clear what I mean so to embark upon extending the meaning of religion I see as an attempt to avoid addressing the questions I ask.
Jan has a style in my view that is designed to avoid directly addressing the matters that a poster presents.
I enjoy seeing Jan in action but that does not mean that I need fall victim to the tactics Jan often employs.
I see no problem with stating that when I use the word religion I mean strictly only as it applies to matters involving God or Gods and not to other areas where it can be used to reference a dogmatic or ordered approach.
Yes, there is a difference. There is overwhelming evidence for the existence of the celebrity and that isn't the case for the supernatural. This is also not the common usage of the word "religion" and therefore has nothing to do with anything we have been discussing.
I don't know to whom you refer.
Could you reword your post please I would like to understand what you wish to say.
Alex
Sure it is. Existence of something mystical.Existence isn't the issue with religion.
Jan.