Will natural wonders ever stop

[exchemist]

It made me to think differently about diluting effect which may even change the property of a substance depending on its quantity.

It shouldn't. These effects are not a dilution effect, nor do they involve "changing reality" as Write4U unhelpfully expresses it.

More here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_gold

 

[exchemist]

Your examples seem to show a form of probabilistic determinism.

Contradiction in terms.

 

[Write4U]

It shouldn't. These effects are not a dilution effect, nor do they involve "changing reality" as Write4U unhelpfully expresses it.

More here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_gold

To the observer it does. A red church pane is made from gold.

 

[Write4U]

Contradiction in terms.

The maths (over time) seemed pretty deterministic. We just don't know the process, so we call it probabilistic.

Now if the maths were random, then one could claim pure probabilism, but as long as we are able to make a measurement which we know is true, given a fixed length of time, it can no longer be called probabilistic. I think the term probabilistically determinstic (depending on length of time) is appropriate in these specific instances.

 

[exchemist]

To the observer it does. A red church pane is made from gold.

No it isn't. Really, your use of language is inexcusably bad.

Some red stained glass is made by adding a very small amount of colloidal gold with the appropriate particle size distribution. "Reality" is only "altered" by this in the same sense in which you "alter reality" by painting your sitting room wall. Leave the woo out, there's a good chap.

 

[exchemist]

The maths (over time) seemed pretty deterministic. We just don't know the process, so we call it probabilistic.

Now if the maths were random, then one could claim pure probabilism, but as long as we are able to make a measurement which we know is true, given a fixed length of time, it can no longer be called probabilistic. I think the term probabilistically determinstic (depending on length of time) is appropriate in these specific instances.

Ballocks. Quantum indeterminacy appears to be, on the evidence, built into nature.

Some people cling to a belief that there must be further layers of understanding of nature that resolve these indeterminacies, but that is no more than a metaphysical position, with no supporting evidence.

 

[KUMAR5]

It shouldn't. These effects are not a dilution effect, nor do they involve "changing reality" as Write4U unhelpfully expresses it.

More here:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colloidal_gold

I do not know. But can Mirage & difference in thermal radiation and more exposure of diluted form between diluted and solid substance relevant?

 

[KUMAR5]

 

[KUMAR5]

An inferior mirage on the Mojave Desert in spring.

 

[Write4U]

appropriate particle size distribution

Have you ever heard anyone say; "that's a beautiful color of gold" when looking at a old church window pane?

Right, the color of gold changes relative to its size. By that argument, we could say that "gold" is a relative term, a probabilistic (or artificial) but deterministic color. We CAN say that gold at nano-size is red.

IOW with a size or time qualification almost anything can be observed and labeled.

Thus the term "half-life" is deterministic term, indicating a high probability, depending on time.
Some things are deterministic, but require a long time to become manifest.

Half-life (symbol t1⁄2) is the time required for a quantity to reduce to half its initial value. The term is commonly used in nuclear physics to describe how quickly unstable atoms undergo, or how long stable atoms survive, radioactive decay.

The term is also used more generally to characterize any type of exponential decay. For example, the medical sciences refer to the biological half-life of drugs and other chemicals in the human body. The converse of half-life is doubling time.

We also call "doubling time" deterministic (it is a mathematical function), but in reality it is a probabilistic estimate depending on time , space, and available resources.

It is theoretically (mathematically) correct, but not necessarily physically deterministic in reality.

 

[exchemist]

Have you ever heard anyone say; "that's a beautiful color of gold" when looking at a old church window pane?

Right, the color of gold changes relative to its size. By that argument, we could say that "gold" is a relative term, a probabilistic (or artificial) but deterministic color. We CAN say that gold at nano-size is red.

No you can't. The link I provided explains that a range of colours can be produced, depending on the particle size, shapes and other factors.

And the colour "gold' is defined to be that of the metal in its bulk state. So no, the colour "gold" is not a "relative" term, any more than "blue" is.

(Although, slightly off-topic, the reason why gold metal has its distinctive colour is in fact attributable to the effects of relativity on the orbitals of its electrons. )

 

[Write4U]

This may be of interest

Mechanism of Gold Nanoparticle Formation in the Classical Citrate Synthesis Method Derived from Coupled In Situ XANES and SAXS Evaluation
Abstract

Although gold nanoparticles (GNP) are among the most intensely studied nanoscale materials, the actual mechanisms of GNP formation often remain unclear due to limited accessibility to in situ-derived time-resolved information about precursor conversion and particle size distribution. Overcoming such limitations, a method is presented that analyzes the formation of nanoparticles via in situ SAXS and XANES using synchrotron radiation. The method is applied to study the classical GNP synthesis route via the reduction of tetrachloroauric acid by trisodium citrate at different temperatures and reactant concentrations. A mechanism of nanoparticle formation is proposed comprising different steps of particle growth via both coalescence of nuclei and further monomer attachment. The coalescence behavior of small nuclei was identified as one essential factor in obtaining a narrow size distribution of formed particles.

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja906506j

 

[exchemist]

This may be of interest

http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/ja906506j

Why?

 

[Write4U]

Why?

Because it is interesting?

 

[exchemist]

Because it is interesting?

No....a bit.....

 

[Dinosaur]

From WriteU4 Post 60

Your examples seem to show a form of probabilistic determinism.

The above in reply to my post 58 & elsewhere

Prior to circa 2000-2020, mainstream physicists believed in a deterministic universe. With the development of Quantum Theory, mainstream belief adopted the notion that the classical universe of our senses is based on a quantum level governed by probabilistic laws.

What is probabilistic determinism? Semantics seem contradictory.

Radioactive decay statistics are probabilistic. If the half life is one minute & you start with 1024 Grams, the expected results are as follows.

After minute one, 512 grams have decayed, leaving 512 grams.
After minute two: 256 more grams have decayed, leaving 256 Grams.
After minute 3: 128 grams have decayed, leaving 128 grams.

The above are like the statistics of flipping coins & discarding those which land heads.

As I have posted elsewhere.

If an entity looks like a duck, walks like a duck, & quacks like a duck, it seems correct to believe that it is a duck.

The statistics of radioactive decay & various other quantum level processes conform to probabilistic laws. It seems correct to believe that such processes are not deterministic.

BTW: A few kilograms of a radioactive substance can contain 10E24 molecules. Due to the large number of molecules, accurate clocks can be based on radioactive decay.