Will Antichrist pose as Christian????

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'Child sacrifices in London'
By Richard Edwards Crime Reporter, Evening Standard
16 June 2005
Boys from Africa are being murdered as human sacrif ices in London churches.

They are brought into the capital to be offered up in rituals by fundamentalist Christian sects, according to a shocking report by Scotland Yard.

Followers believe that powerful spells require the deaths of "unblemished" male children.

Police believe such boys are trafficked from cities such as Kinshasa where they can be bought for a little as £10.

The report, leaked ahead of its publication next month, also cites examples of

African children being tortured and killed after being identified as "witches" by church pastors.

The 10-month study was commissioned after the death of Victoria Climbié, who was starved and beaten to death after they said she was possessed by the devil.

The aim of the Met study was to create an "open dialogue" with the African and Asian community in Newham and Hackney. In discussions with African community leaders, officers were told of examples of children being murdered because their parents or carers believe them to be possessed by evil spirits. Earlier-this month Sita Kisanga, 35, was convicted at the Old Bailey of torturing an eight-year-old girl from Angola she accused of being a witch.

Kisanga was a member of the Combat Spirituel church in Dalston. Many such churches, supported mainly by people from West Africa, sanction aggressive forms of exorcism on those thought to be possessed.

There are believed to be 300 such churches in the UK, mostly in London.

The report was put together by an expert social worker and lawyer for the Met after talking to hundreds of people in African communities in a series of workshops. It uncovered allegations of witchcraft spells, child trafficking and HIV-positive people who believe that by having sex with a child they will be "cleansed".

An extract reads: "People who are desperate will seek out experts to cast spells for them.

"Members of the workshop stated that for a spell to be powerful it required a sacrifice involving a male child unblemished by circumcision. They allege that boy children are being trafficked into the UK for this purpose."

It adds: "A number of pastors maintain that God speaks through them and lets them know when someone is possessed.

"It is therefore their duty to deliver the child or adult from the evil spirit.

"After much debate they acknowledge that children labelled as possessed are in danger of being beaten by their families.

"However, they would not accept they played a role in inciting such violence."

Last month Scotland Yard revealed it had traced just two out of 300 black boys aged four to seven reported missing from London schools in a three-month period.

The true figure for missing boys and girls is feared to be several thousand a year.

The scale of the problem emerged through the murder inquiry following the discovery of a child's torso in the Thames in September 2001. The identity of the victim, named Adam by police, is not known but his background was traced to Nigeria. It is believed he died in a ritual sacrifice.

John Azar, who helped the police on that inquiry, told Radio4's Today programme that the known cases could be "the tip of the iceberg".

Police working on the Adam case have found children are being sold to traffickers on the streets of major African cities for less than £10 and then smuggled into the UK. The children arrive in London armed with false documents and accompanied by adults who believe they will bolster their asylum claims.

Dr Richard Hoskins, a lecturer of Theology and Religious Studies at King's College, said: "We know this through work we have been doing on the Adam inquiry. These children are ripe for people to abuse. They are easy prey."

A Met spokesman said: "We undertook a project aimed at improving our knowledge of issues impacting child abuse within the African and Asian communities of London. The aim of the project was to open a dialogue within these communities and encourage a debate which would help reduce the risks of harm to children."

The report says there is a wide gulf between these communities and social services and protection agencies with many people in ethnic communities scared to speak out.

The report concludes police face a "wall of silence" when dealing with such cases.

Experts differ on the merits of the Scotland Yard report.

Dr William Les Henry, a lecturer in sociology at Goldsmiths College, said aspects of the reports were pigeonholing crimes together and were patronising and racist.

He said: "When we think about these cases we can see the same kind of patterns of behaviour in European cultures but they are interpreted in completely different ways.

"This is one of the crises with social sciences anyway, when they are supposedly interpreting the folk ways or cultural habits of alien cultures." He said that the models such reports are based on are that "Africans are less civilised, less rational".

But Dr Hoskins said: "This is very detailed, qualitative report that actually comes out of the communities.

"This is not white people saying this. This has actually comes from the communities authored by people in the community and that really stymies the racist line." He added: "We are dealing with real cases here. When you actually talk to them, these are hard and fast facts.

"So I don't think we are getting wrong, but it is right to treat it sensitively."

He believes vulnerable people are being manipulated by spiritual leaders.

"This is absolutely what is going on. They are often very vulnerable, poor people.

"It is people in positions of power and money that are manipulating poor people."
 
A link would have been fine..

A) The Antichrist is NOT coming. Even the Bible says so.

B) Since no one can hypocritically denounce these people for their beliefs (implying that one's own morals are superior), we can finally say that morals are not absolute.

C) Since morals are not absolute, and since getting rid of witches (shouldn't it be wizards?) is not a 'bad' thing, we can leave these people the hell alone.

Using values instilled by one's culture to arbitrarily judge the values of another culture is pretty daft. That's why I'm not American.

Thank you very much.

*cough*
 
Not sure how the original post relates to the question posed but anyway.

I believe the Anti-christ/beast will pose as the Returned Messiah. For the jews the Coming Messiah. I believe there will be two claimants for the title of Messiah one known in the OT as the King of the South (false islamic claimant) and the King of The North (false jewish/ christian claimant) they will fight a series of horrific wars leading to the defeat of the King of the South and the extermination of a number of middle eastern nations.(false battle of Armageddon)

The king of the North will then proclaim himself Messiah and will be accepted by jews and false christians as such. He will then start an extermination program against true Christians (who will reject his claim that he is the Messiah) and anyone else who refuses to acknowledge his claim. He will then sit in the rebuilt temple in Jerusalem and proclaim Himself as God on earth. The Jews will then realize there mistake and reject him (because they do not believe the Messiah is God) and then expel him from Jerusalem. The Anti-christ will then gather the armies of the world on the plains of megeddo to fight the battle of Armageddon to exterminate the jews. But before he can accomplish this task the Messiah Jesus will return in the sky in all His glory and exterminate the army of the anti-christ and save a surviving remnant of the jewish people

Well that’s what i think at the present moment anyway. We will see what happens anyway.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
Justifications for the irradication of religion from the world just keep piling up.
 
enton said:
The one who proclaims that he is the vicar of Christ is the Anti-Christ.
Not really, because supposedly jesus made peter his "vicar on earth", giving him the keys to the gates...and Peter's successors are the Popes. Peter was the first pope. Hell, the Papal State's name at one time was "Patrimonium Petri", "Patromony of Peter".
So, you're essentially saying that St.Peter is the antichrist, assuming christianity is right, which it isn't.
 
Adstar said:
Not sure how the original post relates to the question posed but anyway.

I believe the Anti-christ/beast will pose as the Returned Messiah. For the jews the Coming Messiah. I believe there will be two claimants for the title of Messiah one known in the OT as the King of the South (false islamic claimant) and the King of The North (false jewish/ christian claimant) they will fight a series of horrific wars leading to the defeat of the King of the South and the extermination of a number of middle eastern nations.
Thing is, the age of monarchy are long past, so "king of the north" and "king of the south" will never exist, with any viable political power to be a viable threat, therefore making christianity moot and pointless, but I knew that already.
 
The anti-christ is here, he exists, with power, the most powerfull country in the world has fallen for he is their leader, stolen election twice, the man started a war, solemly responsible for thousands of deaths and counting, he promises more war, more lies, and betrayal of the American people.

The anti-christ is George Bush!. The Anti-Christ

Godless
 
Godless, I agree with you here. Well, not the whole Bush thing, but the Anti-Christ, I believe, currently exists, and has existed after Christ's death.

Thing is, the age of monarchy are long past, so "king of the north" and "king of the south" will never exist, with any viable political power to be a viable threat, therefore making christianity moot and pointless, but I knew that already.
Hapsburg, true, the current use of the word "King" might exclude elected presidents, but I'd wager the word, as used by the ancient Greeks and Jews, could just mean ruler, dictator, or any one in control. Furthermore, this same word is applied to Jesus, who, while having no heir to replace him so to speak, is still called King.
 
I will comment on this issue at the appropriate time.

If I were to tell you all the truth about the antichrist or whoever he thinks he is, I do not think any of you would be able to believe me.

So, all I will do is say that so far all of the assumptions are wrong, although two of you are on the right track.

Thank You.
 
I do not think any of you would be able to believe me.

How is that any different from the rest of your posts?
 
The anti-christ is here, he exists,

More than you know-

Who is the liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? This is the antichrist, he who denies the Father and the Son.

-1 John 2:22,

and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist...

-1 John 4:3, ESV

Many deceivers have gone out into the world; they do not confess the coming of Jesus Christ in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the antichrist
-2 John 1:7, ESV


We are all by defintion the anti-christ.

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'cept for these idiots Angelic Being and Adstar.
 
gendanken said:
More than you know-

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-1 John 2:22,



-1 John 4:3, ESV

-2 John 1:7, ESV


We are all by defintion the anti-christ.

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'cept for these idiots Angelic Being and Adstar.


On the right track but still wrong.

Reality Check: you cannot be the antichrist, you are a nobody, sorry.
 
The idiocy of christians never ceases to amaze me. The anti-christ. Shit. I am the anti-christ. I support the disposal of this ancient asshole of an idea (The Christ™ may not even have existed). You idiots think there is an actual person who will come along claiming to be the jewish messiah? Or whatever? And will he perform "miracles"? Shit. I've seen David Copperfield do things that convince me he's the messiah. Could The Christ™ fly? I,ve seen Copperfield fly.

This makes my head hurt.
 
superluminal said:
The idiocy of christians never ceases to amaze me. The anti-christ. Shit. I am the anti-christ. I support the disposal of this ancient asshole of an idea (The Christ™ may not even have existed). You idiots think there is an actual person who will come along claiming to be the jewish messiah? Or whatever? And will he perform "miracles"? Shit. I've seen David Copperfield do things that convince me he's the messiah. Could The Christ™ fly? I,ve seen Copperfield fly.

This makes my head hurt.

Do not hurt your head yet!!

I never said that the antichrist would be one person or two person or whatevever.

Be specific in your statements okay??
 
Angelic being:
On the right track but still wrong.
Read your bloody bible.

Reality Check: you cannot be the antichrist, you are a nobody, sorry.
I'm the whole world and your mother, so eat shit.

Superluminal, brother in Satan:
Seig Sat-anus!

Burn these bloody Christians and their ovaries making more of them!

I support the disposal of this ancient asshole of an idea ...
And I support the disposal of a firecracker up its ancient asshole.
 
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