Why would God kill even the righteous?
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All of this is only your own personal interpretation. Nothing more!
And many times the sword is very real and not symbolic at all. Here is how the term "cut off" is often used. It often means to "put to death" (Please see below).
Exodus 31:12-15
The LORD then gave these further instructions to Moses: 'Tell the people of Israel to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a sign of the covenant between me and you forever. It helps you to remember that I am the LORD, who makes you holy. Yes, keep the Sabbath day, for it is holy. Anyone who desecrates it must die; anyone who works on that day will be cut off from the community. Work six days only, but the seventh day must be a day of total rest. I repeat: Because the LORD considers it a holy day, anyone who works on the Sabbath must be put to death.'
For your own sake Saquist, I hope you keep the Sabbath, because according to Jesus this Law is still in full force.
Thanks!
Yes.
This is something that has been totally missed by SetiAlpha6.
I have even heard it exclaimed by people today that in a all out nuclear war the survivors will envy the dead. The book of Revelation reveals something about the End times you may wish to think upon.
Revelation 9
6 In those days men will seek death and will not find it; they will desire to die, and death will flee from them.
As a Christian I long to be free of this world to be in the presence of God. So yes death is a blessing if your going to a better place.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
No one on this earth knows whether they are going to heaven or not. Not one! Not even you, Adstar. Many Christians have little if any comfort on their deathbed but instead are afraid that God might yet still throw them into hell because of something they overlooked or misunderstood. Did they have the right kind of faith? Were they ever really one of "the chosen" after all? The church down the street says no! There is no way for them to know for themselves. They could have just been deceiving themselves the whole time.
Everyone has a different theory of what "saving faith" even is with the result that only the most egotistical and prideful end up with an assurance that they are saved. And, of course, these same attributes might just damn them to hell.
Anyway, good luck with this mess.
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No mess here SetiAlpha6
The mess resides in your understanding.Yes i trust in the Words of God so i know that i will be with my Heavenly Father forever. You however place your trust in yourself your like a ship captain who places his anchor within his own ships hold thinking it will secure his boat in a storm. I however place my anchor on the bead Rock of His Word so i know i am secure not because i have egotistical pride in my own self but because i place my trust in His righteousness.
Anyway i will not wish you any luck because luck has nothing to do with anything where eternity is concerned.
All Praise The Ancient Of Days
Why would I? Committing suicide get's you into HELL
Also, you said PROVE it, by committing suicide I wouldn't prove anything, like I previously stated
I'm afraid that simply is not the case. I did offer you to see the information that further states the point.
cut off is also used in this way.
However Seti there are notable differences. This is Law...and it is unquestionably litteral. The Law was not in any way prophetic also...God's "sword" is not mentioned.
Considering that God is a spirit person and has no physcial form his possesion of a "sword" as symobllism is logical and considering the larger similarities with other prophetic warnings of judgement then this is most definitely following a pattern.
Righteous and Unrighteous being cut off.
"seperating of sheep and goats."
"cutting off of the righteous and unrighteous
"The vine producing no fruitage cut off from the vine of fine fruits"
"he righteous to a resurection of life and the unrighteous to a resurrection of judgement."
The scriptures say look for a pattern 1 Timothy 1:13
The pattern in all these scriptures and at least one or two more show that there is a dividing between the good and the bad and some use the phrase "cutting off" and all of them are speaking of judgement.
Exodus 31:12-15
I've been told by an older one that the Sabbath was a set of rules and regulation set out by God for Israel to use in it's internal governing. What we are describing above in your original scripture is "Divine Judgement." Is it logical to conclude with the Exodus scripture that this fits the criteria of "Divine Judgement?" Has God ever allowed "Divine Judgement" to decided in the hands of an imperfect human being or orgainization? There is no such scripture.
Remember. The scripture you originaly brought up was not about Law It was a warning that Eziekiel was to act out SYMBOLICLY to Judah for violating the Law. God did not execute everyone in the that situation.
Divine Judgement not only includes Death but Life as well both on an everlasting basis. So this is not a matter of my opinion Seti my entire congregation knows the same and the scriptures invovled that tell us God does not execute the righteous.
I have to disagree based on scripture.
I am not a Jew and under the New Covenant I have no obligation to the previous covenant with Israel.
No mess here SetiAlpha6
Yes i trust in the Words of God so i know that i will be with my Heavenly Father forever. You however place your trust in yourself your like a ship captain who places his anchor within his own ships hold thinking it will secure his boat in a storm. I however place my anchor on the bead Rock of His Word so i know i am secure not because i have egotistical pride in my own self but because i place my trust in His righteousness.
Anyway i will not wish you any luck because luck has nothing to do with anything where eternity is concerned.
Adstar,
Even Paul did not take his salvation for granted. Why in the world then do you think that you can?
1 Corinthians 9:26-27
26Therefore I do not run like a man running aimlessly; I do not fight like a man beating the air. 27No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize.
Do you beat your own body like Paul did? I sincerely doubt it! Is it not perhaps because you think of yourself more highly than he did?
Philippians 2:12
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling,
You void any scripture that disagrees with you. You are just like all of the rest of them, but you cannot even see it because of your own foolish pride.
You might want to find a nice big stick to beat yourself with. Of course, in contradiction to this, according to Paul again, this is not supposed to help at all. Why then does he do the very thing that he claims is useless?
Any ideas?
Below, Paul claims that sever treatment of the body should not be done because it is basically of no value, even though, as I said, he does this very thing himself in the scripture I quoted above.
Colossians 2:20-23
20Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21"Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.
But then on the other hand, Jesus taught that the discipline of, or even severe abuse of, the body was good and actually could help you get saved.
Matthew 18:8
If your hand or your foot causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire.
I call this a mess!
I know! It is all my fault right?
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god is an equal opportunity murderer. He kills without bias. Babies, kids, women, all are chaff before him. In the flood he murdered everybody because they upset him. 2Kings 19:35 he slaughtered 185,000 men. He rants and murders even his chosen people, the Jews. He is supposed to be all powerful and yet is jealous of other gods. If someone doesn't believe in him, he hates them with such intensity that he is prepared to torture them forever in a hell he created. Adam and Eve disobeyed him in the garden of Eden and he cursed mankind forever because of it. Clearly he a highly unstable character and has no one to tell him what is right and what is wrong. Like a petulant brat, he does what he wishes.
Thank you very much for the confirmation! Although I had hoped for more of an explanation.
Take Care.