Why does God hate the sinner and love the sin?

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Why does God hate the sinner and love the sin?

My premise is rather simple. God, if the above were not true, would not give infinite punishment for a finite sin and that hell is definitely against this scripture.

Romans 12:21 Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.

Hell is definitely not overcoming evil with good. Hell is an evil place and if God somehow uses it to overcome evil, he is reversing the interpretation of this quote.

I know that scripture says that God loves the sinner and hates the sin. I have reversed this to opposite way but to read it or believe it as written in scripture would be a tad silly I think.

If God loves the sinner and hates the sin then one would expect that the sin would have God’s wrath and that the sinner would keep God’s love.

The opposite is of course what happens.

The sinner is the one that god shows his wrath to when he sends him or he to hell.
Sin, what God supposedly hates, and presumably in Satan’s control, are left to go about creating a hell penalty for the next bath of sinners that God loves yet consigns to hell.

Something is either wrong with God, the notion that he loves sinners and hates sin or my view that god hates what he punishes and that is the sinners that he is said to love.

I admit that I could be wrong and invite you to straighten out my thinking if you think me wrong. Just show where my logic is taking the wrong turn please.

As I have tried to show; to read the quotes and scripture as written is illogical. Reversing them seems to make more logical sense.
Let us reason together.

Should I read them as given in scripture or should I reverse them to make logical sense?

Regards
DL
 
Hel is a Norse word. "Hell" was used to make it easier to remember for pagans or something, it's just a translation that got latched on to later with the Christian scare tactic to usurp power over people.

Hades was a Greek word, basically a place like Purgatory, just boring.

Sheol is the original Hebrew afterlife-holding area. It's boring too.

144000 people (actually they are descendants of hebrews - no gentiles allowed!) get to actually go to "Heaven" or "ascend".

"Hell" is an invention of the early church. Some priest came up with that bullshit.
 
nietzschefan said:
Hel is a Norse word. "Hell" was used to make it easier to remember for pagans or something, it's just a translation that got latched on to later with the Christian scare tactic to usurp power over people.

Hades was a Greek word, basically a place like Purgatory, just boring.

Sheol is the original Hebrew afterlife-holding area. It's boring too.

144000 people (actually they are descendants of hebrews - no gentiles allowed!) get to actually go to "Heaven" or "ascend".

"Hell" is an invention of the early church. Some priest came up with that bullshit.
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Yes and those without a moral sense believed it.

Regards
DL
 
The same old mistake is to presume 'God' in the first place, but, if one does, then comes the parade of paradoxes.
 
He will put you in little boxes and seperate gates you will walk through, like you all put people into boxes and judged them.

You made your own laws up and thought you knew best and knew all things in all hearts. He knows all things and all hearts and all thoughts and all actions. He will be the true fair judge of every person.

You allow and even praise earthly judgement when you know not all ends of all matters. Yet you don't think it is fair to be truly judged in the truth of all things.

Find wrong in The Commandments and show me all of your multitudes of laws then we shall see who is truly righteous.

Judgement.
 
It occurred to me that if the Christian God is so...then He essentially punishes people for being as flawed as He Himself made them to be...
So I picture Him saying:

"I've made it very hard, in fact, almost impossible for most of you to do what I say, nonetheless either do it or I will torture you forever you worthless trash!
...BUT I LOVE YOU!"

It's like deity as the psycho boyfriend from hell.

So I figured this out around 14 and decided this bothered me, and I eventually rejected Christianity over it.
 
chimpkin said:
It occurred to me that if the Christian God is so...then He essentially punishes people for being as flawed as He Himself made them to be...
So I picture Him saying:

"I've made it very hard, in fact, almost impossible for most of you to do what I say, nonetheless either do it or I will torture you forever you worthless trash!
...BUT I LOVE YOU!"

It's like deity as the psycho boyfriend from hell.

So I figured this out around 14 and decided this bothered me, and I eventually rejected Christianity over it.
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I Don't know who the "Christian" God is, if you mean the God of Israel YHWH who is Allah one and the same I AM, Then he does not punish people because he made them do evil things.

You can chose to do Good or Choose to do bad, you can chose to break his commandments or follow them.

He gave you plenty of warning and messengers telling you what the laws are.


He didnt force you to murder or Lie or Steal or Worship material things, you all chose to do this and had free will to do otherwise.


What Commandments and Scripture have you been reading?.


Peace.
 
SciWriter said:
'God' never said a word; humans said it. You have the cart before the horse that no one rode in on.
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So you don't believe in the messengers of the Most High?. (Regardless of what scripture was tampered with, removed/changed or fabricated) You dont Believe they Existed or spoke His Truth?


Peace
 
nietzschefan said:
Hel is a Norse word. "Hell" was used to make it easier to remember for pagans or something, it's just a translation that got latched on to later with the Christian scare tactic to usurp power over people.

Hades was a Greek word, basically a place like Purgatory, just boring.

Sheol is the original Hebrew afterlife-holding area. It's boring too.

144000 people (actually they are descendants of hebrews - no gentiles allowed!) get to actually go to "Heaven" or "ascend".

"Hell" is an invention of the early church. Some priest came up with that bullshit.
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I think the outer court is reserved for heathens
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
I Don't know who the "Christian" God is, if you mean the God of Israel YHWH who is Allah one and the same I AM, Then he does not punish people because he made them do evil things.

You can chose to do Good or Choose to do bad, you can chose to break his commandments or follow them.

He gave you plenty of warning and messengers telling you what the laws are.


He didnt force you to murder or Lie or Steal or Worship material things, you all chose to do this and had free will to do otherwise.


What Commandments and Scripture have you been reading?.


Peace.
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26 That is how I learned it
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
He will put you in little boxes and seperate gates you will walk through, like you all put people into boxes and judged them.

You made your own laws up and thought you knew best and knew all things in all hearts. He knows all things and all hearts and all thoughts and all actions. He will be the true fair judge of every person.

You allow and even praise earthly judgement when you know not all ends of all matters. Yet you don't think it is fair to be truly judged in the truth of all things.

Find wrong in The Commandments and show me all of your multitudes of laws then we shall see who is truly righteous.

Judgement.
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Amen
 
EmptyForceOfChi said:
So you don't believe in the messengers of the Most High?. (Regardless of what scripture was tampered with, removed/changed or fabricated) You dont Believe they Existed or spoke His Truth?
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Not only did they make it up, but they even made up conflicting irrational notions, and are still fighting each other about those wishful fabrications.

Any one sect is 'atheist' to all of the others. I am merely atheist to one more—all of them.
 
SciWriter said:
Not only did they make it up, but they even made up conflicting irrational notions, and are still fighting each other about those wishful fabrications.

Any one sect is 'atheist' to all of the others. I am merely atheist to one more—all of them.
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The Only warrior Prophet was Mohhamad Peace be upon him, and if you study the true history of war through-out the ages past. The best Ethics and standards are kept by the Soldiers of The prophet.

People who followed Him lived by such a strict rule and code of arms which is rarely spoken about in the western debate cyphers.

I could Give a detailed list and source all of the quotes on the battlefield from mohhamad and other generals who knew him and followed his way. But I think it would be off topic for such a detailed summery but I can point you to the right direction.

Search and study Quranic battle ethics and codes on the battlefield. There are many many accounts to read up on, true testimonys. one of the great things about the Quran is that it is very Real in our history and is documented almost everywhere in the middle easts recent history.

Mohhamad is usualy attacked by christian critics on the account of him executing an entire tribe of Jews. He did not even impose islamic law on these Jews at-all there were around 900 of them in total and He asked the rabbi what Jewish Torah law says they should be punished with for their crimes, The Rabbi Replied the sentence of Death.

So Mohhamad said then let them die by the law of the Torah and there covenant with allah.

Peace.
 
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