@Gravage --
Again, you don't know this, unless you can magically see the future....and since you didn't foresee this reply I highly doubt that you can. The bottom line for now is this, science may not answer all of our questions and can't at this time, but every single time in the past that someone has claimed that this or that will forever be beyond the reach of science they have been proven wrong. Every time.
I think I'll side with precedence over ignorance.
Gravage: And you ignore the limits of human understanding, science and technology.
I don't see the future, my point here is that I'm talking about limits of human understanding-this is what I'm talking about-what makes you think human understanding has no limits. No matter how many things humans invented, and no matter how many humans will invent in the near future, there is a limit, and that limit comes with how much you can understand how something works. What you are saying is that humans have infinite understanding, and that's extremely arrogant, one way or another. And the fact when it comes to physics we close to that limit you like it or not. How can you built something if you don't understand how does it work? There is also a computer memory limit. And today's science would stop to advance if there were not any super-computers. But as problems become more and more complex, and with the less understanding, we're not that far from this limit, you can't really explain infinity with finite human brains.
Nope, I've never had a fear of death in that situation, and it's one I've been in frequently in my life(what with hitchhiking across the country and all).
It's quite obvious that you don't know anything about me. Not only have I been through wilderness survival training and actually employed it, but I spent a large chunk of my childhood working on my grandfather's farm. Not exactly what one would call a "hedonistic lifestyle", though I've certainly embraced one since moving to the city.
Been there, done that, got the shirt, went back five other times. Still no fear of death.
Gravage:The main problem here is I don't believe you, I also had some really bad moments with clinical death and getting lost in forest, but I didn't fear of death at all, but doesn't mean there is nothing spiritually
Face it, you're just wrong.
Gravage:You're wrong to think there is nothing spiritual, prove it.
Prove me wrong, just because neither of us didn't feel anything spiritually, it doesn't mean something spiritual does not exist, it's beyond the detection of scientific instruments.
This has zero relevance to what I said.
Gravage:It has to do with cause and effect, the problem with today's science which explores only the effect not the cause-they only cure the symptoms, but not why did it happen.
Again there's the question of relevance, however I think I'll stick to rationality right now as it produces far more reliable answers. I don't ignore my intuition, I just don't trust it because intuition is wrong most of the time.
Gravage: Rational or not, the fact is western science is too conservative and too closed when it comes to thinking about something that cannot be proven, sure proofs/evidence are important, but science and technology both have limits as well as human intellect. Interesting, but m intuition has never let me down so far-never. Try to explain that with rationality.
And this doesn't invalidate my point in any way. The existence of even one individual who has a happy life without spirituality invalidates your claim.
And how do you know that person does not have spiritual side if he/she never explored it, as well science has never prove it or disprove it.
Cheers.
