Why do christians continue to believe their religion when it's been refuted?

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Medicine*Woman

Jesus: Mythstory--Not History!
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M*W: I've been on sciforums for several years now, and no matter what you read, legitimately research, or post, the christians on this forum are not open to new or innovative ideas about their religion, and they only believe what has been fed to them by their leaders.

That is a scary thought, if you ask me. I question why they don't even want to listen to what could be a possible revelation to them, but they shun all ideas of anything different than what they already know.

What's amusing is that some of the christians on board make broad statements that have long been found to be untrue. Some of these statements include:

Adam and Eve
Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat
The talking serpent
The plural gods of Eden
Giants of the Earth
All the metaphors for Jesus
Jesus's birth
Jesus's life
Jesus's death
Jesus's resurrection
All the witnesses who never saw Jesus
...and more.

What I want to know is when does truth and reality clash with lies and fantasy? And, why can't christians see the fallacies of their beliefs?

Christianity is not a forward moving religion. In fact, it seems from the posters here, it is going backwards to the days before scientific research existed or was kosher for it's believers to undertake such a feat.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a scientific forum contains information from the Dark Ages. Surely the human race has progressed beyond that even where religion is concerned.

A bigger concern I have is why are those people who are still living in the Dark Ages allowed to post their drivel in a modern scientific forum?
 
Medicine*Woman said:
.... why can't christians see the fallacies of their beliefs?...
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Because they don't want to. Their beliefs make them happy. Why give up something that makes you happy?

And what place does religion even have on a science forum? Where would that leave you if the religion section was removed? How many science threads have you started?
 
Orleander
Their beliefs make them happy.
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I think its more a one/two fear/greed punch. They are at heart greedy cowards who will betray any value in their lust after heaven and their fear of hell. They worship ignorance and blind obedience and consider refusing inconvenient truths a sign of "faith."
 
Exactly. Christianity is wrong. FULL STOP.

That's not even opinion, it's simple truth.

Yet the majority just seem to go along with it due to some vague cultural identity issues.

I'm just hoping that in the 21st century, each new generation will be a little less religious than before.
 
Medicine*Woman said:
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M*W: I've been on sciforums for several years now, and no matter what you read, legitimately research, or post, the christians on this forum are not open to new or innovative ideas about their religion, and they only believe what has been fed to them by their leaders.

That is a scary thought, if you ask me. I question why they don't even want to listen to what could be a possible revelation to them, but they shun all ideas of anything different than what they already know.

What's amusing is that some of the christians on board make broad statements that have long been found to be untrue. Some of these statements include:

Adam and Eve
Noah's Ark on Mount Ararat
The talking serpent
The plural gods of Eden
Giants of the Earth
All the metaphors for Jesus
Jesus's birth
Jesus's life
Jesus's death
Jesus's resurrection
All the witnesses who never saw Jesus
...and more.

What I want to know is when does truth and reality clash with lies and fantasy? And, why can't christians see the fallacies of their beliefs?

Christianity is not a forward moving religion. In fact, it seems from the posters here, it is going backwards to the days before scientific research existed or was kosher for it's believers to undertake such a feat.

It just doesn't make sense to me that a scientific forum contains information from the Dark Ages. Surely the human race has progressed beyond that even where religion is concerned.

A bigger concern I have is why are those people who are still living in the Dark Ages allowed to post their drivel in a modern scientific forum?
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M*W, would you support the burning of the Christian Bible, in your eyes to rid the world of this information?
 
rjr6 said:
M*W, would you support the burning of the Christian Bible, in your eyes to rid the world of this information?
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M*W: No. I don't believe any book should be burned, but I do believe we have the right to read anything we want and every book should be read in the context of which it was written. Nothing should be taken at face value.
 
Simon Anders said:
Could you link me to posts dealing with these topics?

How can you refute a metaphor?
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M*W: These topics have been worn out long ago, and I don't know how to retrieve these specific topics from earlier posts. Maybe someone who knows how to do this can help you out.
 
rjr6 said:
M*W, would you support the burning of the Christian Bible, in your eyes to rid the world of this information?
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Burning would be bad for the environment. Much better to just recycle them. Turning them into paper mulch/pulp and then repressing them into tissue, packing paper, notebooks for kids in school, etc.
 
Simon Anders said:
Could you link me to posts dealing with these topics?
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Doesn\'t this site have a \"Search\" feature?

How can you refute a metaphor?
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Cannot one refute a metaphor if that metaphor is being posited as a factual argument? If that metaphor is being retold by someone who takes it to be literal?

I guess, technically, that wouldn\'t be \"refuting the metaphor\" but refuting the misapplication of the metaphor.
 
ylooshi said:
Doesn\'t this site have a \"Search\" feature?
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Ye\s. I tri\ed "that". Not so go\od with ph\rases, so.....


Cannot one refute a metaphor if that metaphor is being posited as a factual argument? If that metaphor is being retold by someone who takes it to be literal?
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Well, I don't know what she meant. I don't think many Christians think Jesus is a fish. But then if you refute a statement about Jesus that could be taken as a metaphor, you are not refuting a metaphor, you are refuting a literal statement, one that perhaps should be taken as a metaphor.

I guess, technically, that wouldn\'t be \"refuting the metaphor\" but refuting the misapplication of the metaphor.
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Ah, sorry. I missed this. Or refuting taking it literally.

Refuting that Tony flew into the room is really wasting everyone's time unless he is not a bat or a bird etc. and people mean it literally.
 
Sorry about the slashes, by the way. I have no idea what\'s causing them. They seem to be related to inverted commas and I can\'t (should I say cannot?) seem to fix it.
 
No problem. I found it rather expressive.
I also thought of 'The Lamb of God'.

But perhaps she is on about Son/Sun, or the like.

Or perhaps she means that some of his actions were really metaphors. Or the crucifiction.
 
Medicine*Woman said:
the christians on this forum are not open to new or innovative ideas about their religion, and they only believe what has been fed to them by their leaders.
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Sounds like the scientists on this forum.

Giants of the Earth
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Do you know what a dinosaur is?

Christianity is not a forward moving religion.
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It's the only forward moving religion I know. For example, the Catholic Church is constantly modifying and changing it's views in light of new scientific evidence.
 
Refuted!?

One can attack legends and myths claiming that they are not literally true, without doing anything in the least to cast the slightest doubt upon their Higher Meanings.

Yes, some particularly Stupid Christians think that the Legends matter, literally, but these are not the Leaders who actually keep the Entire Christian Superstructure going.

anyway, the Causes and Sources of a Religion are one thing to attack, but what of a Viable Living Religion?

Now, yes, mostly you people attack Protestants. Easy Targets. They really DON'T have a living viable Religion. They destroyed a Religion, and what they kept for themselves... Free Passes on Sin... really has no Spiritual Content. Not really a Religion, not in the way that the World defines Religion.

But check out Catholicism... no not Modern Catholicism... the Catholicism of Bishops who wanted to be accepted by their Protestant Colleagues... of Catholic Bishops who forgot that Paulist Doctrines were rejected by Civilized Catholicism at the Height of it Civilization for probably very good reasons. The Rise of the Saints came at the decline of Paul... and reversing that formula ... was that supposed to help?

Anyway, there is a great deal of Modern History of Religion ... of Spiritual and Miraculous Religion, which you won't go near because you have no hope to refute any of it. You would rather cast doubt on Archeological Remnants... so much easier for you.

You should be a lawyer. But Scholarship is so much more difficult.
 
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Because it hasn't been refuted. It has only been mocked and anger has been expressed toward it. Mockery and anger do not a refutation make.
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Refuted and mocked
 
Went to church yesterday. First time in months. Other than a lecture on communication, I didn't really get much out of it. I'm hoping to find someone in the midst who is like-minded. Willing to question the fishy smell coming from the Bible. I did make an observation on this subject.

Medicine Woman, there are three reasons of Christian ignorance:

One, they believe the Bible. To them, nothing is fact unless it fits in the Bible box.

Two, they go to church and receive weekly brainwashing. First, they sing about how they love God, what God does for them, etc. This is all very encouraging for people who are hurting. But, once you are in the club, you feel obliged to sing these words. If you sing or say these words enough, you'll believe them.

After singing, they are ready to receive the message. But, your mind is very squishy at that time. Your emotions are likely burning at this point, and you are willing to hear "the truth" that your aching heart wants to hear. In other words, they are exposed with their guard down. They will quickly affirm anything told to them as long as someone is holding the Bible with a quick "Amen!".

And three, once you are in the club. Generally, it makes you pretty happy attending. People are on their best behavior, and you'll not find the treatment you get in the club anywhere else. You feel good.

You feel great, why would anyone in there right mind want to leave a sanctuary, where everything's alright and you can even be yourself (as long as you are not psychotic).

The fellowship is great fun, plain and simple. They even feed you. If you are part of the club, you can have many good friendships without all the work of maintaining them.

The bottom line is, the church would see to your every need in life if it was within their power. I've even had monitary help when I was down long ago.

Everyone should join the club. The problem is when the babbling starts. When the bad interpretations rear their ugly head, when zealot's call upton fire and brimstone, and when the church leadership is in a funk. Basically, when people have trouble with living their lives according to the Bible. And, the ones that do, they have their head so far up their butts, that they can't hear people who need help.

Those type are just out of touch with reality!!

Those type are Blinded by their own faith to the real needs of men.

This errosion in the faith proves another argument: The Bible is not completely true and God is something not known, or there is no God and Christians are just playing a game. The evidence for this argument is that the Christians who live by the letter of the law in the Bible, are either zealots or blinded by faith to reality. Every one of them. It's the Christians that do not follow every word as written that are the most healthy (kind, decent, loving, grounded, and fun) human beings in the club.

The culture is undeniable, and Christians are not willing to part with the culture, even at the cost of reason.
 
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