KitNyx said:
I disagree...a newborn baby has no abstract concept of "self", but it still responds to emotional "impact".
Sure it does. Eventually the process of doing instigates conceptual development. I assert that the emotional "impact" solidifies and facilitates the relationship between whatever concept was created, and new or existing concepts, which are at that stage, generally unsophisticated.
- a "threat" to the flow of being.
- a "shock" to the flow of being.
- a "fortification" of the flow of being.
- a "stress" to the flow of being.
If you are 'being', any of those conditions can happen, regardless of whether or not you were designed by humans (if you're AI).
etc...I agree that the "abstract component of self" can in itself create hormonal responses (or at least envision situations that the hormonal system will respond to),
And I think that the hormonal response is simply a reaction to what happens to the flow of being as I was trying to demonstrate above.
Chips and logic? True. Neurons and logic? True...Neurons either fire or do not...True or False, on or off, 1 or 0...same thing. What makes you think our mind works any different than any other system in our body?
First and most obvious, because other elements of the body only exist abstractly to the mind. With it, they are useless blobs of biological machinery. Further, if half a brain's nuerons are killed off (being now simply zero, does consciousness go away? Some of the things you might have been conscious of might, but consciousness persists.
Our body accomplishes amazing feats, but it does so by breaking the problem down into tiny parts...I can bench 200 lbs because each of my muscle cells take on a tiny fraction of the effort. The brain works the same way...
I think you're missing something here, but I can't put my finger on how to get the message across.
Perhaps I'm an idiot though, and my ego has convinced me my perspective has merit. I really can't tell if it does. I only know what I see. Perhaps I'm actually blind.
I agree that AI may come about as a result of the bizarre processes involved with quantum computing, but there is no evidence that our minds function as a result of quantum computing...If we can do it without quantum computing than we are the evidence necessary to show that it CAN be done without quantum computing.
I'm almost completely convinced it can't be done by a chip "as we know them", no matter how many of them you can run parallel to one another. Then again, maybe.. but it would have to take a funk approach.. hmm. Yeah I don't know how to facilitate the model, as I don't have teh model completely figured out. I need unlimited resources and an army of smart dudes. Given that (and control of it), I'm almost sure I could create AI if it's possible.