Why Can't Science Identify This Dragonfly-like Insect Emitting Strange Substance?

Why on earth would the "mainstream science community" ignore a new species? Ever ask yourself that? Might help with these paranoid delusions.
 
Balerion said:
Why on earth would the "mainstream science community" ignore a new species? Ever ask yourself that? Might help with these paranoid delusions.
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Because there's only one good video of it. They'd need one caught so that they could examine it.
 
common_sense_seeker said:
Because there's only one good video of it. They'd need one caught so that they could examine it.
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And you problem with that is what, exactly? Do you think scientists should spend their time watching amateur videos on YouTube, or making scientific observations?
 
exchemist said:
And you problem with that is what, exactly? Do you think scientists should spend their time watching amateur videos on YouTube, or making scientific observations?
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That contradicts the message in post#2.

Here's some sightings of giant dragonflies:

I had the largest dragonfly I ever saw land on my boat near the islands yesterday. It's head looked a good 1/2 inch wide, the length I estimated at 6 inches. Beautiful specimen, purple and blueish in coloration. Looking up giant dragonfly we get Petalura gigantea, not native to this area at all, and smaller than what I saw on my boat. Wish I would have had my camera. Does any of the local entomologists know of such a creature or is it just a common species that flew to close to the nuclear plant? ;D
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I also saw a dragonfly that was 6 to 8 inches long that fits the description of the one you saw. It was purple, bluish, greenish. Iridescent looking, like those glass yard balls. I saw it in South Bend, IN on my porch. I have never seen anything like it. It looked like it came straight of a fairy tale. I haven't had any luck identifying the one I saw either. None of the other dragonflys even come close in size or color.
 
I think I've found the species; Meganeura

Meganeura is a genus of extinct insects from the Carboniferous period approximately 300 million years ago, which resembled and are related to the present-day dragonflies. With wingspans of up to 65 cm (25.6 in), M. monyi is one of the largest known flying insect species; the Permian Meganeuropsis permiana is another. Meganeura were predatory, and fed on other insects.

Fossils were discovered in the French Stephanian Coal Measures of Commentry in 1880. In 1885, French paleontologist Charles Brongniart described and named the fossil "Meganeura" (large-nerved), which refers to the network of veins on the insect's wings. Another fine fossil specimen was found in 1979 at Bolsover in Derbyshire. The holotype is housed in the Muséum national d'histoire naturelle, Paris.
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Note to self: The large veins in the wings fits with the observation of red blood seen in them in the airliner sighting at 30,000ft!

Controversy has prevailed as to how insects of the Carboniferous period were able to grow so large. The way oxygen is diffused through the insect's body via its tracheal breathing system puts an upper limit on body size, which prehistoric insects seem to have well exceeded. It was originally proposed (Harlé & Harlé, 1911) that Meganeura was only able to fly because the atmosphere at that time contained more oxygen than the present 20%. This hypothesis was dismissed by fellow scientists, but has found approval more recently through further study into the relationship between gigantism and oxygen availability. If this hypothesis is correct, these insects would have been susceptible to falling oxygen levels and certainly could not survive in our modern atmosphere. Other research indicates that insects really do breathe, with "rapid cycles of tracheal compression and expansion". Recent analysis of the flight energetics of modern insects and birds suggests that both the oxygen levels and air density provide a bound on size.

A general problem with all oxygen-related explanations of the giant dragonflies is the circumstance that very large Meganeuridae with a wing span of 45 cm (1.5 ft) also occurred in the Upper Permian of Lodève in France, when the oxygen content of the atmosphere was already much lower than in the Carboniferous and Lower Permian.

Bechly (2004) suggested that the lack of aerial vertebrate predators allowed pterygote insects to evolve to maximum sizes during the Carboniferous and Permian periods, maybe accelerated by an evolutionary "arms race" for increase in body size between plant-feeding Palaeodictyoptera and Meganisoptera as their predators
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Note to self: This fits with the air tube propulsion system of the trachea tube proposal!


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It's not an extinct species. Obviously. And there is no reference to its size in the video. And the video's claims ("It's always shapeshifting!") are ridiculous and attributable to an amateur eye, confirmation bias, and blurry images. I mean, there was nothing whatsoever unique or special about that video, aside from the stupidity of the poster.

Also, why is this in Biology & Genetics? This is crank bullshit.
 
In Search of the Meganeura, a.k.a the Giant Dragonfly; on the Island of Kauai

On my last day of our trip to Kauai I dropped Trish off at the Lihue airport at 11am for her flight home. Our flights were separate and mine didn't leave until 10:30pm later that evening. With over 8 hours to kill I was determined to discover something rarely sighted but known to exist up by Mount Wai'ale'ale, also known as the wettest spot on earth, receiving on average 450 inches of rain per year...

Just as I pulled into the roundabout a Giant Dragonfly buzzed across my windshield. It was very large, at least an 8-inch wingspan and a long blue body. My camera was in my pack and I lost the opportunity to snap a photo. But now I had hope that as I wrangled my way through the upcoming jungle trail I would find more even larger dragonflies.
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Balerion said:
It's not an extinct species. Obviously. And there is no reference to its size in the video. And the video's claims ("It's always shapeshifting!") are ridiculous and attributable to an amateur eye, confirmation bias, and blurry images. I mean, there was nothing whatsoever unique or special about that video, aside from the stupidity of the poster.

Also, why is this in Biology & Genetics? This is crank bullshit.
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You need to watch the video all the way through. You show me a known dragonfly species that is known to eject a web-like substance from a two-pronged device from it's abdomen which moves as if alive and emits spots of light momentarily. The shapeshifting refers to the head just before if lifts off for flight. It's a complete transformation and totally remarkable!

On Friday, September 23, 2011, a 56-year-old man from London, England recorded footage of a mysterious creature he filmed while observing dragonflies in his back yard.

Eyewitness states: "While filming a dragonfly I inadvertently captured some kind of alien critter doing strange things next to the dragonfly and whilst going through this footage I discovered that the dragonfly, just before take off appeared to have some kind of helmet device, which opened up exposing a head from inside it. It's like a Transformer. I have trawled the internet to find a comparison but was unable to find anything like this! It makes me wonder whether the dragonfly is real or not?"
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common_sense_seeker said:
You need to watch the video all the way through. You show me a known dragonfly species that is known to eject a web-like substance from a two-pronged device from it's abdomen which moves as if alive and emits spots of light momentarily. The shapeshifting refers to the head just before if lifts off for flight. It's a complete transformation and totally remarkable!
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I've watched it - against my better judgement. It's normal sized dragonfly, as can be seen by the wooden bench (in Greenford, that most prosaic of districts in West London) it alights on. There is a bit of fluff, either on the camera lens or on the back of the dragonfly for a while, which blows in the breeze. My bet is the camera lens. Nothing comes out of its abdomen.

The only interesting part, to my mind, was that towards the end there is a suggestion of something flesh-coloured bulging out between its eyes, though it's hard to tell what this might be and it could be a trick of the light. Dragonflies have quite complicated mouthparts I understand so conceivably this is what that was.

I know you go in for mantis men and by your own admission have mental health problems. I assure you there is nothing here to justify wild leaps to extinct species or other implausible explanations.
 
exchemist said:
The only interesting part, to my mind, was that towards the end there is a suggestion of something flesh-coloured bulging out between its eyes, though it's hard to tell what this might be and it could be a trick of the light. Dragonflies have quite complicated mouthparts I understand so conceivably this is what that was.
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Okay, thanks for the recognition of something strange happening to it's head just before it takes off. It happens at the top of it's head and doesn't look like anything to do with the mouthparts.

I know you go in for mantis men and by your own admission have mental health problems. I assure you there is nothing here to justify wild leaps to extinct species or other implausible explanations.
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Mantis-men is a term people have used to describe humanoid type encounters with something that they can't explain. They will likely be known as dragonfly-men or dragonfly-humanoids from now on i suspect..

As to my state of mind, I'm extremely well thank you. I wasn't exactly diagnosed with mild Aspergers, it's more a case of just falling short of the score needed for a diagnosis of full Aspergers. I'm not on the autistic spectrum, although anyone who is similar to myself knows it still has it's potential problems. I'm actively pursuing a self-employment program which is going extremely well, so I'm quite content as well at the moment, thank you.

P.S. There is clearly a two-pronged 'something' which appears from somewhere and can be seen above it's back. It's highlighted on the video and isn't a "piece of fluff" on the camera lens or otherwise.
 
I watched the video and it looks like a hair was on the dragon fly and the wind blew it off. I guess the hair could be an alien pubic hair, but barring that it is absolutely nothing worth note in the video. You seem to be a professional at making a mountain out of a mole hill.
 
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I watched the video and it looks like a hair was on the dragon fly and the wind blew it off. I guess the hair could be an alien pubic hair, but barring that it is absolutely nothing worth note in the video. You seem to be a professional at making a mountain out of a mole hill.
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So all I need is another video of a similar dragonfly-like insect with another "loose hair-like" appendage and you'd agree that it was something unique?
 
There's dragonfly-like insects videoed during the day but flying above the clouds according to the presenter. The still shots at the end are worthy of attention: Dragonfly UFO

There's another interesting shot here behind a vulture which makes the dragonfly look huge doesn't it? Vulture and dragonfly photo

Silent, Glowing Dragonfly-Shaped UFO Photographed Over Asheville, North Carolina

On Tuesday, November 20, 2012, late afternoon (between 4:00 and 5:00 p.m. EST), while in the parking lot of a grocery store, I looked up in the clear sky at the moon. I saw a bright point-sized object moving near the moon. I thought it was odd that it was not leaving a contrail, so I took out my camera and took several pictures at maximum optical zoom (5x).

I estimate the moon was at azimuth 90 degrees and altitude 70 degrees. It took the object about 2 minutes to transit the sky. It was at about azimuth 0 degrees and altitude 15 degrees when it moved behind some trees and I lost sight of it. The object made no sound.

Considering its size and appearance through my camera at 5x zoom, I would guestimate its height to be jetliner height, size unknown but it had to be large and distant.

The object was solid with three sections: a glowing section to the left, a glowing section to the right, and a vertical section rising up where the other two joined, like a dragonfly shape. The glowing sections glowed with a brilliant white light with yellowish-orange or yellowish-red around the edges. I saw no other objects or aircraft in the sky.
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common_sense_seeker said:
So all I need is another video of a similar dragonfly-like insect with another "loose hair-like" appendage and you'd agree that it was something unique?
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NO! Futzing around with videos is useless, scientifically speaking.

The camera can easily fool the viewer and can easily be manipulated by the unscrupulous. What is needed is scientific observation. If such a creature exists, it can be found physically and observed directly, by different observers.

If it can't, then the assumption will be that it doesn't exist and all the claims for it are either artifacts or a hoax.

That's science.
 
Why Can't Science Identify This Dragonfly-like Insect with a loose hair on it?

The dragonfly-like insect is a male Red-veined Darter (Sympetrum fonscolombii).

Happy now?
 
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Looks a bit like this one. Brown Hawker, but the end of its tail is fatter.


The shape changer is just a bit of cobweb blowing in the wind.

Here's a really weird video I found when looking for cobwebs.
A graveyard with everything covered in sheets of cobwebs.
It is horrible.
[video=youtube;pALLf22JfZs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pALLf22JfZs[/video]
 
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