Why are geeks often atheists?

Science operates on determining what the most likely case is. Given the fossil evidence, and the accurate predictions that we can construct from evolutionary theory, we arrive at the inescapable conclusion that evolution via natural selection is the most likely cause of the complex life. If you demanded that I put that probability into numbers, it would be something on the order of 99.9999~ad infinitum.

Well for one thing you made up that conclusion. But most likely is not good enough and most likely can be found to be wrong.
 
Search me. :shrug:

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Did you happen to notice the caption on the bottom of this picture, the Masters Four it says, but there are 5 of them! :D
 
...how does it's being a plant have any bearing here?

Just look at the big picture and see where it leads. Also, when asking for proof and someone gives you proof of something else then that just proves my point. What he is saying is basically that if you breed one species of dog with another you get something that looks a little different but still a pooch. That is meaningless when observing the theory of complete biological evolution and it's probability. In reality it is like comparing apples to oranges.
 
No it is not. A baby will grow into adulthood. That is a fact of nature.
No, you assume it is because you have never seen a baby do anything else. You're assuming the uniformity of nature, which you cannot demonstrate. Babies could stop growing tomorrow.
 
Just look at the big picture and see where it leads. Also, when asking for proof and someone gives you proof of something else then that just proves my point. What he is saying is basically that if you breed one species of dog with another you get something that looks a little different but still a pooch. That is meaningless when observing the theory of complete biological evolution and it's probability. In reality it is like comparing apples to oranges.

You don't understand what speciation is.

Dogs are all the same species. You cannot breed two of them and get a new species which is no longer capable of breeding with the original two dogs. The change he's referring to in the plant produced a new plant which could not breed with the similar species.
 
Add H.G. Wells, Emile Zola, George Bernard Shaw, William Keith Kellogg, Margaret Sanger, Alexander Graham Bell, Charles B. Davenport, Harry H. Laughlin, Henry H. Goddard , Madison Grant, Paul Popenoe...

Has there ever been a prominent atheist who was not in favor of eugenics?

Some of those were around in times with obviously inferior ideas about genetics. Some of the others I had to look up :p Pretty small list really.

As for people not in favor of eugenics... it's not like there are lists on these things, but there are definitely plenty. I bet if I took the time to search all the "prominent" modern evolutionary biologists I could find, most of them would be against eugenics (of the type that you quoted Dawkins as being interested in - but not eugenics related to physical problems such as disease).
 
You don't understand what speciation is.

Dogs are all the same species. You cannot breed two of them and get a new species which is no longer capable of breeding with the original two dogs. The change he's referring to in the plant produced a new plant which could not breed with the similar species.

What about a chiuaua male and a great dane female? :p
 
Ok, redwards. i am telling you that barring catastrophic event, rare diseases etc. that babies grow into adults. Most likely? NO, definitely.
 
Ok, redwards. i am telling you that barring catastrophic event, rare diseases etc. that babies grow into adults. Most likely? NO. Definitely with no external force or intervention.
Again, you're assuming that babies continue to grow into adults as they always have. You cannot demonstrate that assumption to be correct, because it assumes the future is the same as the past. This is a fundamental problem in epistemology that philosophers have debated for centuries. It's usually called "the problem of induction," and I'm amazed you're not familiar with it. It's usually argued from your side of the fence.

Go buy a book about David Hume.
 
Same species. Just like a human midget and Yao Ming.

Hmm :scratchin: The height difference might qualify as a reproductive isolating mechanism. I don't know. :O In a natural environment my guess is they would not interbreed.
 
Hmm :scratchin: The height difference might qualify as a reproductive isolating mechanism. I don't know. :O In a natural environment my guess is they would not interbreed.
Dogs don't exist in a natural environment. Domesticated dogs are the species canis lupus familiaris, all of them. Any animal of that species that is currently wild is descended from an animal that was previously domesticated.

The variety of breeds you see in dogs are just that: bred. Purposefully.
 
http://m4th.com/Articles/Why-are-geeks-often-atheists.php

"Although this trend is obvious to most people who have visited Digg or several other similar sites, perhaps we should take a moment to have a look at some of the statistics. On a Digg religion poll, out of a base of over four thousand votes taken, 45.56 percent are reported to be atheists. This makes them the single largest religious group on Digg, followed closely by Christianity, at 29.08 percent. Likewise, on Shuzak, a statistical examination of the 271 users who actually declared their religion showed the percentage of Atheists to be close to 70%. "

Presumably geeks are smarter.
 
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