exchemist
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Maybe, but nonetheless it is worth a mention, since the notion that France has not been successful at warfare is a silly one.
What WARS has France won?
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Maybe, but nonetheless it is worth a mention, since the notion that France has not been successful at warfare is a silly one.
just an aside you do realize either france was named for a weapon or gave its name to one, the francisca
War is hell on earth . Man is his own worst enemy . He kills to make peace . When peace is not working . He starts a war to kill again.
No, it wasn't, to either option.
The francisca (the weapon) was given that name (by some Spanish) because of its use by the people known as the Franks.
It is the Franks that lent their name to what is now France.
So both France and the francisca are linked to the people called the Franks, but the country was neither named for the weapon nor gave its name to it.
Hope that helps.
so appartently we have 3 people that don't understand how etymology works. do you not realize you literally provided the proof of my statement and some how claimed it was a refutation.No, it wasn't, to either option.
The francisca (the weapon) was given that name (by some Spanish) because of its use by the people known as the Franks.
It is the Franks that lent their name to what is now France.
So both France and the francisca are linked to the people called the Franks, but the country was neither named for the weapon nor gave its name to it.
Hope that helps.
I'm afraid it is you who does not understand etymology (i.e. the origin of words)
If A gives rise to (is the origin of) B and to C, it is not necessarily correct to say that B gives rise to (is the origin of) C.
If the same rain storm causes a dam to burst and for me to carry an umbrella , is it correct to say that the dam bursting caused me to carry an umbrella? No.
Likewise, just because the Franks gave their name to both the country and to the weapon, it is simply not true that France (the country) gave its name to the weapon, or was named for the weapon.
It would be like saying that humans are the cause of, or caused by, the other great apes, when in fact we simply share a common ancestor with them.
In the case of the weapon and the country, they have a common etymology: the Franks.
So yes, I refuted your statement because it is/was flawed. You may have known what I have explained above, but what you actually wrote was flawed - as shown above.
Deal with it.
If A gives rise to (is the origin of) B and to C, it is not necessarily correct to say that B gives rise to (is the origin of) C.
If the same rain storm causes a dam to burst and for me to carry an umbrella , is it correct to say that the dam bursting caused me to carry an umbrella? No.
Likewise, just because the Franks gave their name to both the country and to the weapon, it is simply not true that France (the country) gave its name to the weapon, or was named for the weapon.
It would be like saying that humans are the cause of, or caused by, the other great apes, when in fact we simply share a common ancestor with them.
In the case of the weapon and the country, they have a common etymology: the Franks.
So yes, I refuted your statement because it is/was flawed. You may have known what I have explained above, but what you actually wrote was flawed - as shown above.
Deal with it.
Your original statement was, "either france was named for a weapon or gave its name to one, the francisca," which is the equivalent of, "either the chicken came first or the egg came first." Both are wrong - the dinosaurs came first.
My references may be a little iffy...
Since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn (or as close as you can "draw" a war) 10 times. Professional boxers have been crowned world champions on shittier records than that.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18409_the-5-most-statistically-full-shit-national-stereotypes.html
Since 387 BC, France has fought 168 major wars against such badasses as the Roman Empire, the British Army and the Turkish forces. Their track record isn't too shabby, either: They've won 109, lost 49 and drawn (or as close as you can "draw" a war) 10 times. Professional boxers have been crowned world champions on shittier records than that.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18409_the-5-most-statistically-full-shit-national-stereotypes.html
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