Gawdzilla Sama
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Well, there was the Daily Camel Dung, the one published in 3000 BC.
What the Bible is Really About
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Gawdzilla Sama
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I notice you only have opinion of people with vested interests in the matter.
Revelation In Space
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I'm checking my Biblical Historicity page (Mobile) on RIS and I'm not seeing that one. Is it anything like the FSM?
Revelation In Space
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Oh, I have an opinion on everyone and everything, Gawd.
DaveC426913
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What?
Are you asking what is the dffierence between your personal opinion and an authority or citation?
If I started a thread about "What dinoosaurs really are is just elephants swallowed by snakes" would you not stop to ask if this were my personal opinion or if it were based on some authority?
Revelation In Space
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What would be the difference?
Between my personal opinion and the opinion of someone else, yes. Without the excuse of an appeal to a selective authority that more than likely subscribes to some pagan influenced tradition. For example, someone who would apply the immortal soul of Socrates without reference to Ezekiel 18:4 and Matthew 10:28 that say the soul dies and can be destroyed because, the Bible I referenced is the authority. Not you, not me, not anyone else. The responsibility is ultimately up to you. To each individual.
I would not. I would ask for evidence no matter who said it. Patrick Star or you or Darwin or Dawkins or Ra.
Well, I've read it, and I've read history. You?
DaveC426913
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OK, in the absense of an offer of citation, I'm gonna conclude it's your personal opinion.
Revelation In Space
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Fair enough, I suppose, and I will assume that until anyone you would cite should appear with any evidence on the forum my opinion is far more relevant to any rebuttal you or your authority would have supplied.
Revelation In Space
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There are only several extant manuscripts of For Caesar's Gallic War which was composed between 58 and 50 BCE. Only 9 or 10 are good and the oldest is about 900 years later than Caesar's day. There are only 142 books of the Roman history of Livy (59 BCE - 17 CE) but only 35 survive, known only from not more than 20 manuscripts, only one of which fragments of Books III-VI is as old as the 4th century. Of The Histories of Tacitus (c. 100 CE) only 4 1/2 survive, 10 in full and 2 in part of his 16 Annals all of which the extant portions rely on 2 manuscripts, one from the 9th and one from the 11th century. Of the History of Thucydides (c. 460-400 BCE there are 8 manuscripts, the earliest of which is from 900 CE with a few papyrus scraps in addition of about the early part of the 1st century. The same for Herodotus (c. 488-428 BCE) and yet no classical scholar would entertain the argument that the authenticity of Herodotus or Thucydides is questionable due to the earliest manuscripts of their works are over 1,300 years later than the originals. (F.F. Bruce, The Books and the Parchments, page 180)
There are thousands of manuscripts of various parts of the Bible and manuscripts of the Christian Greek scriptures are dated only a hundred years later than the originals.
I don't see your point. See Science and the Bible: Historicity (mobile)
Does any of that in some way contradict my outline of what they contain?
What point? I answered the OP question concisely... which is more than I can say for the question itself.
Pinball1970
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Wrong. I study the Bible much more than I did when I'm was a believer
No, it isn't. It's just a book, like Mao's little red one. People scribble all the time, but most of them are not taken so seriously as to cause genocides. Just as well, really.
Pinball1970
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Again this is wrong.
I went looking for proof or at least solid evidence that Bible claims were true and that god exists and Jesus was indeed his son and my redeemer. When I in fact demonstrated the complete opposite I did not hate god, how could I? I did not think one existed any more.
I was angry that had taken so long to work it out.
Gawdzilla Sama
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No, it's what happened. I've camped in the desert south of the Med. with tribesmen. They use dried camel dung for fires, if there's enough of it. And they told stories that made this old sailor go "WTF!". No TV, no computer games, not much else. So sitting around telling lies is part and parcel of their life. I wish I'd written a few of them down. (That trip was 1974. I did a circumnavigation of the Med. with some friends from our bases.)I'm checking my Biblical Historicity page (Mobile) on RIS and I'm not seeing that one. Is it anything like the FSM?
Pinball1970
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You might not but that is exactly what historians and textual critics do, those works are given exactly the same treatment as religious texts.
The job of textual critics is to determine what the authors originally wrote.
However, battles, kings, wars, famines, plagues, politics and culture are happening right now, we know they are real.
The Bible claims are not things that have ever been observed, virgin births, turning water into wine, calming a storm, rising from the dead.
If you read those things in a different holy book would you just believe them?
Revelation In Space
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No, it's a collection of 66 books by over 40 different authors ranging from kings, lawyers, a physician, shepherds, soldiers, farmer, fisherman, tentmaker, etc. over a period of 1,610 years.
We can attest to the scribbling, and genocide is a relatively vague term. There is only one race, the human race. Its preservation is part of the subject of the Bible.
Revelation In Space
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The point was that the Bible has far more reliable history in number of manuscripts and contemporaneousness than those other works and there is most definitely a difference in the way those are perceived due, in part, ironically, to our familiarity with them. You're crazy if you believe the Bible but reasonable if you believe in secular history which is full of legend and myth and error, spuriousness and grandiose political claims. Here in the states we are taught at a very young age that Paul Revere rode through town shouting the British are coming! The British are coming! They were all British.
Not exactly. It's to analyze the language, style, context, and geospatial location of a piece of writing.
Yeah, weapons of mass destruction, that sort of thing. We're never lied to. That would be impossible. We are men of science. Semmelweis Reflex. Superhighway of misinformation, that sort of thing.
The Biblical kind is observed every day. We know that a squirrel will produce a squirrel, not a fish-frog. If you plant grass seed you get grass. Macroevolution, now that has never been observed by anyone. Ever.
If you read some scientific journal's discovery of highly advanced extraterrestrial beings who could minimize weather, raise the dead, transfer water into wine, heal the sick, or perform artificial insemination would you doubt it equally with the Bible? The Bible is historically far more accurate and reliable than any secular history. The supernatural events it records, relatively few, are either parlor tricks to impress the faithless or practical acts by highly advanced extraterrestrial beings trying to get something done.
Revelation In Space
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I'm sorry, what's happening? This is the Egyptian Camel Dung 3000 BCE manuscript - never mind. What was the question? Oh, yeah, yes people are idiots and like to make up tall tales. I've done time, I know. Thus, you have the truth of the Bible turned into, that is misrepresented as it is today. Militant unbelievers like to see it through a hyper literal lens, which when uninformed as it is - oddly enough, doesn't provide anything as interesting as Socrates and Plato, but still. Have at it. The more idiots that buy into your nonsense the less idiots inhabit the new system. You know, after the resurrection. After government destroys religion and commerce destroys government;
. . . . . IN . . . .
Speaking of idiots and tall tales, huh? Huh? Whatdya' think, buddy? Space ship or no space ship? Lissajous orbit in the Earth-Sun Lagrange Point 5 or camped in the desert south of the Mediterranean region? The more things change the more they stay the same.
Gawdzilla Sama
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And that's what religion does to you, folks.