Hi Medicine woman
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When Jesus was a little boy, it is my understanding that he wasn't anointed until he was an adult. The Messiah, as I recall, means "anointed one." He was anointed when he reached adulthood when Mary Magdalene anointed him on his head or feet or both so he could begin his mission as Rabbi. I won't go into this now, because I feel that you are very young yourself, but I have read some theological research studies that attribute MM anointing Jesus' head, and feet and genitals. I believe the Aramaic word for "feet" is the same for "genitals." This is when he "officially" became "the messiah." It was customary in those days that Rabbis be married.
wow i will answer some of this in this post.
So what about the temple being reconstructed? Wasn't the messiah supposed to come after that had been done?
The temple existed at the time of Jesus. It had been rebuilt when the hebrews returned from exile in Babylon. But you raise a point that is a center of controversy within Christianity today. There are christians today that believe that the Messiah will not return until the temple is rebuilt. This is also believed by many “religious” jews. In fact some people offer material support and political pressure to advance the cause of the rebuilding of the temple on the mount in Jerusalem. They support isreal and the jews not as support for the jewish religion or zionism but only for the purpose of getting the temple rebuilt. They feel in some way that they can quicken the return of the Messiah by doing this. I do not hold this belief. He will come when He will come not when someone tries to force Him to come.
Also, you believe when Jesus was little, his mother called him "Immanuel." Why do you believe this? Is there scripture to back your statement up?
Jesus was a fulfilment of a prophesy
Matthew 1
18 Now the birth of Jesus Christ was as follows: After His mother Mary was betrothed to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Spirit. 19Then Joseph her husband, being a just man, and not wanting to make her a public example, was minded to put her away secretly. 20But while he thought about these things, behold, an angel of the Lord appeared to him in a dream, saying, "Joseph, son of David, do not be afraid to take to you Mary your wife, for that which is conceived in her is of the Holy Spirit. 21And she will bring forth a Son, and you shall call His name JESUS, for He will save His people from their sins."
22So all this was done that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, saying:
23"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us." 24Then Joseph, being aroused from sleep, did as the angel of the Lord commanded him and took to him his wife, 25and did not know her till she had brought forth her firstborn Son. And he called His name JESUS.
See how the scriptures say
23"Behold, the virgin shall be with child, and bear a Son, and they shall call His name Immanuel," which is translated, "God with us." This comes from a prophesy given to Isaiah long before Jesus birth.
Isaiah 7
The Immanuel Prophecy
10 Moreover the LORD spoke again to Ahaz, saying, 11"Ask a sign for yourself from the LORD your God; ask it either in the depth or in the height above."
12But Ahaz said, "I will not ask, nor will I test the LORD!"
13Then he said, "Hear now, O house of David! Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will you weary my God also? 14Therefore the Lord Himself will give you a sign:
Behold, the virgin shall conceive and bear a Son, and shall call His name Immanuel.
So Matthew affirms that the Iasiah prophesy was fulfilled when the virgin mary conceived and had Jesus and called Him Immanuel. So mary called Jesus Immanuel its just that most of the worlds population use the translated name Jesus. The name Jesus was not used in Isreal at the time because it did not exist until the name Immanuel was translated into Jesus.
One verse that comes to my mind is when M&J went looking for Jesus and found him at the Temple. I recall that Mary called him "Jesus." He was about 12 then. Also, in those days, many men were named "Jesus."
Interesting thing about your mentioning of the child Jesus incident in the temple and your views on the significance of MM anointing. One correction if you read the account you will see that MM did not anoint The Messiahs Head she only did his feet. Moving on the account of the temple incident is revealing:
Luke 2
41 His parents went to Jerusalem every year at the Feast of the Passover. 42And when He was twelve years old, they went up to Jerusalem according to the custom of the feast. 43When they had finished the days, as they returned, the Boy Jesus lingered behind in Jerusalem. And Joseph and His mother[12] did not know it; 44but supposing Him to have been in the company, they went a day's journey, and sought Him among their relatives and acquaintances. 45So when they did not find Him, they returned to Jerusalem, seeking Him. 46Now so it was that after three days they found Him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the teachers, both listening to them and asking them questions. 47And
all who heard Him were astonished at His understanding and answers. 48So when they saw Him, they were amazed; and His mother said to Him, "Son, why have You done this to us? Look, Your father and I have sought You anxiously."
49And He said to them, "Why did you seek Me? Did you not know that I must be about My Father's business?" 50But they did not understand the statement which He spoke to them.
The teachers where astonished at His understanding and His answers. Why? Because Jesus was not levite. The levites where the priest class, things religious where their business. Like many religions today most of the comon people know little about their faith, they just allow the professionals to tell them what to do to got to Heaven and just keep the laws or the holy days of obligation. It was the same in Jesus time. They could not figure out where Jesus got His wisdom. This happened again and again in His life, people being astounded because they could not figure out where His understanding came from. This leads me to believe that Jesus was born anointed but chose to wait until He was a man to reveal His message to the jewish people.
M*W: But what about non-Christians? Would they have had a translation for "Jesus" in their own language? What if some cultures have never even heard of "Jesus?" What would they call him then?
Well if they have these 3 words “God with us” in their language then they would have a name whatever that would be.
Well Medicine woman i am enjoying this interesting discussion
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