What has to Happen to end Religion?

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PsychoticEpisode

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Myself and a lot of others here spout off against religion on a regular basis. Why do we dislike it so? First let me say that I don't hate anybody for being religious. I'm sure that sentiment is shared by practically every atheist on this forum.

I dislike it because I care about the human race. I feel an empathy for my fellow man as I witness them live life in fear. Will religion ever not be a part of our society? It is encouraging to see so many atheists coming to the fore these days but are we increasing our numbers or just maintaining a ratio as population increases? I hope its the former.

So when will religion end? I believe religion will one day become a thing of the past but it won't happen overnite. Atheistic philosophy taught in schools along with theistic, child laws protecting kids from any religion until they are old enough, and so on and so on, will aid the evolution of society towards the atheistic. What I'm getting at is this.... the main requirement for the elimination of religion is time. If we can keep ourselves from destroying the planet and just get along for a significant amount of time then religion will slowly disappear.

Hopefully time also allows us to evolve intelligently. Increasing our knowledge of the world and the universe will certainly elevate our awareness to what's really happening. There is the possibility of new religions taking over but I think that in each succeeding era or epoch religion will gradually mellow.

Current religion will also help the cause when their day of reckoning comes, when they have to put up or shut up. (ie: messiahs not showing up) They could also help by rewriting their doctrine to include women as intellectual equals and instantly double the amount of grey matter available to push progress.

So what will it take? What has to happen to rid the Earth of this nonsense?
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
Myself and a lot of others here spout off against religion on a regular basis. Why do we dislike it so? First let me say that I don't hate anybody for being religious. I'm sure that sentiment is shared by practically every atheist on this forum.

I dislike it because I care about the human race. I feel an empathy for my fellow man as I witness them live life in fear. Will religion ever not be a part of our society? It is encouraging to see so many atheists coming to the fore these days but are we increasing our numbers or just maintaining a ratio as population increases? I hope its the former.

So when will religion end? I believe religion will one day become a thing of the past but it won't happen overnite. Atheistic philosophy taught in schools along with theistic, child laws protecting kids from any religion until they are old enough, and so on and so on, will aid the evolution of society towards the atheistic. What I'm getting at is this.... the main requirement for the elimination of religion is time. If we can keep ourselves from destroying the planet and just get along for a significant amount of time then religion will slowly disappear.

Hopefully time also allows us to evolve intelligently. Increasing our knowledge of the world and the universe will certainly elevate our awareness to what's really happening. There is the possibility of new religions taking over but I think that in each succeeding era or epoch religion will gradually mellow.

Current religion will also help the cause when their day of reckoning comes, when they have to put up or shut up. (ie: messiahs not showing up) They could also help by rewriting their doctrine to include women as intellectual equals and instantly double the amount of grey matter available to push progress.

So what will it take? What has to happen to rid the Earth of this nonsense?
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Sounds like anti-theism is the new religion
 
I suppose it would have to be called something. Part of our fascination of putting labels on things, I guess. Getting rid of religion means no churches, no bibles, no worship, no praying, no genuflecting, no fasting, no nailing guys on a cross, no beheading infidels, no waste of life etc. etc. but a better understanding of your place in the universe and unlimited roadblock free potential to do your bit as an intelligent being.
 
:D Belief in God will never end in this world, Your dream is self delusion. Belief in God is not going away, it is being taken more and more seriously by more and more theists.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
I suppose it would have to be called something. Part of our fascination of putting labels on things, I guess. Getting rid of religion means no churches, no bibles, no worship, no praying, no genuflecting, no fasting, no nailing guys on a cross, no beheading infidels, no waste of life etc. etc. but a better understanding of your place in the universe and unlimited roadblock free potential to do your bit as an intelligent being.
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Assuming of course that every one in the world has the same non-experience with spirituality as you do?
 
Adstar said:
:D Belief in God will never end in this world, Your dream is self delusion. Belief in God is not going away, it is being taken more and more seriously by more and more theists.
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Whew, you had me worried for a bit. I thought maybe all atheists had recanted for a moment.
 
samcdkey said:
Assuming of course that every one in the world has the same non-experience with spirituality as you do?
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I feel a great deal of sympathy for you which as it seems is a lot more than you feel for me. I really hope that comment doesn't place any adverse affects on you when you stand before your maker.

If you don't think religion will ever end then just say so, personal comments aside. Did my list of things you don't have to do when religion ends get taken personal? Do you feel those things currently done in the name of religion are silly and you were just expressing your frustration because you know not why you do?

Even a religious person has to admit that religions do end. History has proven that. Why don't you think religion will someday be gone forever? Instead of a personal psycho-analysis of myself you might offer an opinion.
 
samcdkey said:
Assuming of course that every one in the world has the same non-experience with spirituality as you do?
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in time, this is what is hoped will happen. what PsychoticEpisode said"Atheistic philosophy taught in schools along with theistic, child laws protecting kids from any religion until they are old enough, and so on and so on, will aid the evolution of society towards the atheistic. What I'm getting at is this.... the main requirement for the elimination of religion is time."indoctrination of children, is nothing more than child abuse.
 
religion... will never end... it is speculation of the unknown possibilities.

it will only be obsorbed by the sciences... as the sciences begin to shed light on what was the mysteries of the heavens and life itself.

it can never go away... to do so, would mean that mans curiosity goes away.

thats not going to happen.

-MT
 
Mosheh Thezion said:
I DONT LIKE ATHEISTS... period

-MT
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is that because intelligent people fighten you, as you feel inferior.
or is it you just want to kill your fellow man, because they believe differently to you.
 
the preacher said:
in time, this is what is hoped will happen. what PsychoticEpisode said"Atheistic philosophy taught in schools along with theistic, child laws protecting kids from any religion until they are old enough, and so on and so on, will aid the evolution of society towards the atheistic. What I'm getting at is this.... the main requirement for the elimination of religion is time."indoctrination of children, is nothing more than child abuse.
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The result of either choice is unknown, so I don't understand why the religious get so upset about it. It could backfire into atheist's faces. So there must be some lingering doubt as to the influence of atheism. Why not give it a shot? What's to fear?
 
perhaps the fact that their wrong and we are right.
their fear of death, is their main worry.
we dont like it too, but we accept the inevitable.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
I feel a great deal of sympathy for you which as it seems is a lot more than you feel for me. I really hope that comment doesn't place any adverse affects on you when you stand before your maker.

If you don't think religion will ever end then just say so, personal comments aside. Did my list of things you don't have to do when religion ends get taken personal? Do you feel those things currently done in the name of religion are silly and you were just expressing your frustration because you know not why you do?

Even a religious person has to admit that religions do end. History has proven that. Why don't you think religion will someday be gone forever? Instead of a personal psycho-analysis of myself you might offer an opinion.
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Actually I find it amusing how atheists are so quick to consider their point of view as the sole right view, same as fundamentalists in any religions and their arguments are basically attempts to cast aspersions on the mental stability, intelligence, personality and values of theists.

I was not being personal; the one thing I see in common among all atheists is their dislike of the word "spiritual"; they seem to think spiritual equals what? imagination/imaginary? So do you believe that you have a soul? And how do you explain the phenomenon of consciousness? Can you examine a brain and "see" a personality? Not everything in the world can be measured or even sensed. We cannot see all light in all the ranges nor hear sounds that are above or below the threhold that is our perception. But we did not know that until we had a way to measure it. So just not being able to perceive or measure something does not indicate its presence or absence. But claiming that it is absent limits your exploration of it. You decide that it does not exist. This is firmly established in your mind. Will you then look for it or even recognize it for what it is if it appears before you ?

As for history, at no point in time has society existed without a religion of some kind.

As Hamlet said, " There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, Than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
 
Adstar said:
:D Belief in God will never end in this world, Your dream is self delusion. Belief in God is not going away, it is being taken more and more seriously by more and more theists.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days
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does taking religion more seriously involve strapping bombs to yourself? If all theists took their belief as seriously as the radical fundamentalist muslim suicide bombers or the radical christians who bomb abortion clinics, that sounds pretty much like the end of the world to me--every theist on the planet using all means necessary to enforce their opinion.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
So when will religion end?
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When there is a better method of human relationships that meets individual and group needs and doesn't have a foundation of fiction. IMO, the advancements of science and the synthesis of science and psychology might be your huckleberry.
 
samcdkey said:
Actually I find it amusing how atheists are so quick to consider their point of view as the sole right view, same as fundamentalists in any religions and their arguments are basically attempts to cast aspersions on the mental stability, intelligence, personality and values of theists.

I was not being personal; the one thing I see in common among all atheists is their dislike of the word "spiritual";
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No one is personal when they use the words "as you do' ...... how could I be so prejudicial in my thinking?

Why does every theist assume atheists believe they have no souls? I can neither prove the existence of god or souls. The last time I looked at the definition of atheist was that they didn't believe in a God. If god is my soul then I suppose you are right.
 
PsychoticEpisode said:
No one is personal when they use the words "as you do' ...... how could I be so prejudicial in my thinking?

Why does every theist assume atheists believe they have no souls? I can neither prove the existence of god or souls. The last time I looked at the definition of atheist was that they didn't believe in a God. If god is my soul then I suppose you are right.
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Well you is both for one person and for a group ( as in you atheists?); if it was ambiguous, it was unintentional.

And I did not assume you did not believe in a soul; see the question mark?
 
looking_forward said:
does taking religion more seriously involve strapping bombs to yourself? If all theists took their belief as seriously as the radical fundamentalist muslim suicide bombers or the radical christians who bomb abortion clinics, that sounds pretty much like the end of the world to me--every theist on the planet using all means necessary to enforce their opinion.
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Well I think the suicide bombs themselves indicate that the individual is obviously disturbed in ways that have little or nothing to do with religion; sort of like hard core racists who "believe" in the superiority of their race.
 
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