Yes they are all very different and different combinations produce different results. And yes everyone gets something different from them. But these are all the outer effects of the drugs.
I say that at the centre of each experience of each different drug, the same thing is touched upon. The same consciousness or awareness (whatever you want to call it). If it is not the same awareness that is reached whichever drug is used to reach it, there is no basis for assuming anything real is being reached or connected with.
me::not really sure what you mean.
Yes it does depend on dosage. At lower dosages, senses are heighted (senses of touch, taste, sound etc). At these doses ones cogno motor abilities can be improved. Abilities to play a game, through a ball accurately etc - spacial judgement is improved. But at higher dosages a simple task such as making a cup of tea becomes a near impossibility. And yes there is a general heightened awarenes at all doses. In fact the senses still remain hightened at higher doses but are also distorted by the outer hallucinagenic effects.
me::i have never personally liked the term some poeple use to describe psychedelic experience as 'distorting' the senses. it gives the idea that there is 'definate' sense which is made dis-torted. i feel that more so our USUAL senses can be distorted via cultural indoctrination, and that psychedelic experince counteracts that conditioning....sometims extremely dramatically
But in my experience it is only at the higher doses that the state of reaching a purer state of consciousness is reached, and this high point is the same whether we take any natural or synthetic hallucigen.
me::what do you mean by 'a purer state of consciousness'? can you define what yo mean better?
Yes there is a deep realxed feeling after, mainly at lower doses.
Yes you always take part of the experience with you into your 'normal' life, you never completey forget or undo the experience.
But you do not take the knowledge or full rememberence of the short time you are experiencing the real high - the experience of real consciousness detached from the usual self
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me::gain, i am not sure what you are meaning here.....?
Duendy,
I dont disagree with any thing you say or any of your experiences, but My drug taking was conducted over a many years and involved a number of different drugs. It was conducted usually in calm and ambient environments (away from the madding crowd so to speak).
The purpose was obviously pleasure seeking but also exploration of consciousness. It was conducted with like minded individuals and it did not take the form of mindless drug addiction. You may not initially agree with what I say but please dont dismiss is lightly.
me::i try not to dismiss anything, but explore about stuff
I hear what your saying, but it all depends on the individual and I dont think you can generalise like that.
me::you mean about givin up of psychedelic experince and guru-seeking?........its just i see a lot of phoniness with all of that. psychedelics usually very powerfully cut right through BS
My feeling is that if there is any inherent reality in the drug experience (and not just hallucinagenic delusion) it must come from abilities that are already withing us - the drug only acts as a trigger. After all some people are born with abilities to have contact with the spiritual - phsycics etc. (again many are phony but some are not)
me::Yes...i agree ...they are a 'trigger'. Albert Hofmann also says that. as for men who say they are touched with god or are more advanced etc etc. well errr ood for them if that what they believe. but i am not gonna follow them. all of us have our own capacities. we cant look-up to others and allow them to become our gods and we ther chillen
Yes I am aware of this, it is socially accepting and in fact socially bonding aswell.
But is there not usually some form of initiation or rite when first taking the hallucigen, where a larger dose is given. and do not he shamans take larger doses than the general community ?
me::have a fascinating book called Shamanism: The Foundations of Magic, by Ward Rutherford. He argues that shamanism is not to be confuused with the more agrarian vegetative ritals which were more part of the Goddess stream. for in he former the shaman tends to be male and becomes te authority--even often tims hving sole right over taking te sacrament, whilst the latter was more ecstasy for ALL. he explains that the shaman saw that as a threat to his authority......i of course am thus much more attracted to ecstasy being avialable for all, and free interpretaion of exerience, though insight into our interelation with Nature i feel is vitally important
But to conclude I am now convinced that the correct and only advisable way to access higher consciousness is;
purifying mind and body.
enlightening the intellect as much as possible through study.
engaging in breathing and meditation excercises.
me::i tend not to for various reasons we may discuss IF i doesn't disturb you
But I totally undersatnd if you disagree with that, but in my opnion in the end the drug will always cloud the potential these heightened states of awareness have.
(although a good dose of phsycadelics is a hell of a kick start to this process - he he)
