I know I could do a search or whatever but I don't care enough, this is much easier.
So what are they?
So what are they?
What are the 10 commandments? (I don't even know)
- Thread starter Dr Lou Natic
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They all begin with, Thou shalt not ... and then you fill in the spaces.
I. Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
III. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
V. Honour thy father and thy mother.
VI. Thou shalt not kill.
VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
VIII. Thou shalt not steal.
IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's.
II. Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image.
III. Thou shalt not take the name of the LORD thy God in vain.
IV. Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.
V. Honour thy father and thy mother.
VI. Thou shalt not kill.
VII. Thou shalt not commit adultery.
VIII. Thou shalt not steal.
IX. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.
X. Thou shalt not covet any thing that is thy neighbour's.
1"I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.
"You shall have no other gods before me.
2 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
4 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
5 "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
6 "You shall not murder.
7 "You shall not commit adultery.
8 "You shall not steal.
9 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.
10 "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbour's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."
- Deut. 5 (cf. Exodus 20 and Matthew 5)
"You shall have no other gods before me.
2 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand generations of those who love me and keep my commandments.
3 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.
4 "Observe the Sabbath day by keeping it holy, as the LORD your God has commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your ox, your donkey or any of your animals, nor the alien within your gates, so that your manservant and maidservant may rest, as you do. Remember that you were slaves in Egypt and that the LORD your God brought you out of there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God has commanded you to observe the Sabbath day.
5 "Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God has commanded you, so that you may live long and that it may go well with you in the land the LORD your God is giving you.
6 "You shall not murder.
7 "You shall not commit adultery.
8 "You shall not steal.
9 "You shall not give false testimony against your neighbour.
10 "You shall not covet your neighbor's wife. You shall not set your desire on your neighbour's house or land, his manservant or maidservant, his ox or donkey, or anything that belongs to your neighbour."
- Deut. 5 (cf. Exodus 20 and Matthew 5)
You will find the latest decalogue at www.theotherpages.org/poems/clough01Dr Lou Natic said:
thou shalt not waste your time looking for the ten commandments you've proberly broke them all in the process
I have all except two (murder and honor your ma and pa) and I'm better then most.
I have all except two (murder and honor your ma and pa) and I'm better then most.
mustafhakofi said:
Actually, breaking one law makes you guilty of breaking all the law. You must not be as well read as you have presumed.
I won't address your statement about having all "except two" until I have a Bible at hand to quote specifically.
Just in case I forget, look at the parable of the rich young ruler. And then look @ what Jesus and Paul had to say.
Actually try this reference. It gives a far more deatiled view of the various versions of the ten commandments, their origins, and the politics and superstitions that surround them.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm#010
Kat
http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/lewis/lewten0c.htm#010
Kat
Perhaps more important are the ten punishments -
Ten Punishments
(Let's post these in the schoolroom!)
1. Ex. 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
2. Lev. 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
3. Ex. 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
4. Ex. 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
5. Ex. 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
6. Ex. 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
7. Lev. 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
8. Lev. 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.
10. Mal. 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.
It would seem that not believing is not too serious since it only warrants damnation rather than death.
And of course wayward priests merely get shit in their face - hmm wonder who wrote these rules.
Kat
Ten Punishments
(Let's post these in the schoolroom!)
1. Ex. 22:20: He that sacrificeth unto any god, save unto the Lord only, he shall be utterly destroyed.
2. Lev. 24:16: And he that blasphemeth the name of the Lord, he shall surely be put to death.
3. Ex. 31:15: Whosoever doeth any work in the Sabbath day, he shall surely be put to death.
4. Ex. 21:15: He that smiteth his father, or his mother, shall be surely put to death.
5. Ex. 21:17: He that curseth his father or his mother, shall surely be put to death.
6. Ex. 22:19: Whosoever lieth with a beast shall surely be put to death.
7. Lev. 20:13: If a man lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death.
8. Lev. 20:10: And the man that committeth adultery with another man's wife, the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.
9. Mark 16:16: He that believeth not, shall be damned.
10. Mal. 2:1-4: And now, O ye priests, this commandment is for you. If you will not hear, and if ye will not lay it to heart to give glory to my name, ... behold, I will corrupt your seed, and spread dung upon your faces.
It would seem that not believing is not too serious since it only warrants damnation rather than death.
And of course wayward priests merely get shit in their face - hmm wonder who wrote these rules.
Kat
But which ten commandments.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
It seems there are several versions and even a set on tables of stone that moses apparently smashed in anger and had to climb the mountain for a second set.
A good PDF file - please print and distribute.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.pdf
Kat
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.htm
It seems there are several versions and even a set on tables of stone that moses apparently smashed in anger and had to climb the mountain for a second set.
A good PDF file - please print and distribute.
http://www.positiveatheism.org/crt/whichcom.pdf
Kat
§outh§tar said:
Not according to the Catholics, and, I must say, I'll take the Pope's word over yours any day.
He's such a nice old man.
Rappaccini said:
James 2
9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
9But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers. 10For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is guilty of breaking all of it. 11For he who said, "Do not commit adultery," also said, "Do not murder." If you do not commit adultery but do commit murder, you have become a lawbreaker.
Did you bother to compare the actual texts in the Bible? They're not numbered. Instead of using Stone tablet A "Adapted from Microsoft Bookshelf 98" and Stone tablet B from the "History of Ancient Hebrew Literature", as that website does, try using the Bible itself for a change. You'll see the difference is in the wording, not in the meaning.Katazia said:
As for your "ten punishments" - that's just stating the obvious. The wages of sin is death, and the law exposes and condemns sin (Romans 7).
1 Corinthians 15:56 The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law.
Otherwise, why would Jesus' vicarious death be so significant?PS. "Commandments" is actually incorrect: the Hebrew word means 'words', as in "the ten words" (Jewish FAQ).
The Aseret ha-Dibrot (Ten Words) are not individual mitzvot; rather, they are categories or classifications of mitzvot.
In fact, Jews regard the ten commandments as 613 mitzvot (laws), among which those in Ex.34 fall. Ex. 34 shows the ritual application of the ethical laws.
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Jenyar said:
Strange...isn't every church doing exactly this with their paintings and statues of jesus, maria, and whoever?
I know what you mean. The best example is probably the Eastern Orthodox churches, who focus heavily on such "icons". The reaction against such images was sometimes very radical, when people like the iconoclasts ("seizers of icons") smashed everything that resembled an image of God.
But that's returning to the kind of empty legalism that Jesus so condemned in the Pharisees. These images never replace God, and they're not worshipped themselves as God - God is Spirit and cannot be represented, the commandment makes sure we don't forget that. But in application the distinction can only be made within each person's heart, and they should address it with God themselves.
But that's returning to the kind of empty legalism that Jesus so condemned in the Pharisees. These images never replace God, and they're not worshipped themselves as God - God is Spirit and cannot be represented, the commandment makes sure we don't forget that. But in application the distinction can only be made within each person's heart, and they should address it with God themselves.
Is the house of god (church) also not an icon in this case?
It represents the face of god? Which shouldn't matter since god is supposed to be everywhere?!?
It represents the face of god? Which shouldn't matter since god is supposed to be everywhere?!?
One source (unfortunately I've lost the reference) said that after Moses broke the first tablets, God gave it to him again, but with further instructions (Ex.34). In this way the whole of the law (i.e. the 613 mitzvot) was revealed in three stages. Some of that can be seen here, at the Jewish FAQ:
This number is significant: it is the numeric value of the word Torah (Tav = 400, Vav = 6, Resh = 200, Heh = 5), plus 2 for the two mitzvot whose existence precedes the Torah: I am the L-rd, your G-d and You shall have no other gods before Me.
Jenyar said:
Ever heard of venal and mortal sins? Varying degrees of 'badness'?
I didn't make this up, comrade.
In a feeble attempt at jocularity...
Say what you will about the Ten Commandments, you must always come back to the pleasant fact that there are only ten of them.
~H. L. Mencken~