Way of Life

§outh§tar,

Give him a chance to his idea of independance...
Why would God want us to be independant on Him forever? Doesn't He love us like a father love his children? Why not being independent?

Then again, if you consider God as being life (i.e. life as an spiritual energy), then your claim of dependance is valid,considering eternal life.... ;)
 
Cyperium said:
I don't know who you are asking now...

I can give you some clues though. The Bible say that everything has a certain glance (like the stars have it's shine, the moon have it's shine and the sun have it's shine), so have each human it's certain characteristic, I guess there should be a supreme way of living that holds every need for everyone in a single lifestyle, but then we have evil in the world which may seperate us from that way of living. But in God's view we are all the same.
there is no such thing as super dosage for every one, for instance, man vs woman, a super way for man may not be good for woman.
 
§outh§tar said:
Well, I am afraid there is actually no Biblical basis for that assumption either.

As you can see from Romans 1:28, before salvation, we are inclined and LOVE to do evil. See the proceeding verses 29-31. This is similarly observed in Romans 3:10-18.

There is absolutely no proof that we sin although we don't want to. The Bible actually says that humans are by nature carnally minded, and there is no life in us. See Romans 8:5.


There is no way a human being ever reaches out for God without His grace playing a role. Without his goodness and longsuffering, we are condemned and all mouths are shut in guilt. (Romans 2:4) Human beings never want to do God's will. We do the things we want to do. As new creations in Christ, it is our nature to do His bidding. As dead creations in the world, it was our nature to be at enmity with Him. Romans 5:10.

Do try to show some Scriptural authority for your arguments next time, that way they carry a lot more weight! :)
Ok.

Rom 7:15
I do not understand what I do. For what I want to do I do not do, but what I hate I do.

Here's some other things that I found interesting:

Rom 8:

5 Those who live according to the sinful nature have their minds set on what that nature desires; but those who live in accordance with the Spirit have their minds set on what the Spirit desires. 6 The mind of sinful man is death, but the mind controlled by the Spirit is life and peace; 7 the sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so. 8 Those controlled by the sinful nature cannot please God.


Jumping a bit (still Rom 8 though):

18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God.
22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
26 In the same way, the Spirit helps us in our weakness. We do not know what we ought to pray for, but the Spirit himself intercedes for us with groans that words cannot express. 27 And he who searches our hearts knows the mind of the Spirit, because the Spirit intercedes for the saints in accordance with God's will.
 
yinyinwang said:
there is no such thing as super dosage for every one, for instance, man vs woman, a super way for man may not be good for woman.
I don't think humans will find a "super way" even if it exists. But we should strive for equal rights amongst humans. In our limited understanding we think that there cannot exist a "super way". I also have a limited understanding but I think that there can exist a "super way", I just don't understand it.
 
Cyperium said:
I don't think humans will find a "super way" even if it exists. But we should strive for equal rights amongst humans. In our limited understanding we think that there cannot exist a "super way". I also have a limited understanding but I think that there can exist a "super way", I just don't understand it.
people are different,so they should live differently as long as no harm is done to others.
 
yinyinwang said:
people are different,so they should live differently as long as no harm is done to others.
True, but I still think that there are a way that is common to all. Society is trying to build such a way, but I don't think it will work. You can't base human understanding on "when he does that then you have to do that", humans are very contradicting since most haven't found their way yet. To go from there and try to build a super-way for all is impossible for us and would only make us more lost than we are.

It may happen that they find some super-way that they think would work though. But if they do, then at least I would be very, very careful.

In a way, such a way allready exist, in the form of laws, morals and principles which every human has to follow (or there will be consequences).

Some parts of the way is natural (like empathy, love, conscience etc.).
 
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