Was our first God a man? Should our last be as well?

Lori_7 said:
you doubt damn near everything.
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Only blatantly wrong or ridiculous statements. Which narrows it down to "Damn near everything you post".

a correct state is implied in the word "flaw".
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Correct. But it does not mean, or even imply, that it's always possible to "derive a correction, or even a perfection".
There are, have been, and may be again, cases where we can see something is flawed but are unable to work how to correct it, much less implement that correction.
See the difference?
 
Dywyddyr said:
Only blatantly wrong or ridiculous statements. Which narrows it down to "Damn near everything you post".


Correct. But it does not mean, or even imply, that it's always possible to "derive a correction, or even a perfection".
There are, have been, and may be again, cases where we can see something is flawed but are unable to work how to correct it, much less implement that correction.
See the difference?
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of course i see the difference. my answer wasn't contingent upon our human shortcomings or inabilities.
 
spidergoat said:
You mean like a world pope? Bad idea.

I agree that our first concepts of gods were just the powerful men around us. But we discovered men were flawed so we created a perfect man beyond reach of death. This if anything proves that religion was created by man.

I fail to see how in one breath you disdain fundamentalism and praise religion. They are the same. If there is no communicated word of god to the people, there is no religion. The idea of god in itself recommends no particular behavior.
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Man created religion for sure but I do not agree with your last.
To offer a God, is to offer his attributes and rules. These would be whatever we consider to be ideal at that point in time.
It would likely be a higher standard than the norm. Without a goal or carrot, religions would have no reason to demand $$$.

Religions, like politics, is generally based on useless and unworkable rhetoric.

Regards
DL
 
Fraggle Rocker said:
The god of dogs is a human. Just ask yours; you are their god because you singlehandedly bring home a dead cow every month.

BTW, how many species of animals do you know that have a god? And how did you get that information from them?

More seriously (if that's even possible), many species are solitary rather than pack-social. They have no instinct to form a social structure with someone at the top. Humans are pack-social like dogs, dolphins, lions, and gorillas, but be careful not to anthropomorphize indiscriminately.
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We are the masters of dogs. Not their Gods.

Regards
DL
 
spidergoat said:
There is no one ideal life, so there can be no flaws, except in relation to an abstract ideal. In that sense, it is religion itself that creates the false perception of imperfection.
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Do you mean---

Candide

"It is demonstrable that things cannot be otherwise than as they are; for as all things have been created for some end, they must necessarily be created for the best end.”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPClzIsYxvA

Regards
DL
 
You have to be saved from the very idea that you have to be saved. You must be saved from the saviors, redeemed from the redeemers.
 
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