Victor Espinoza's: Thread of Intrigue

[Gremmie]

So his post can be on the very top of the page where it will get the admiration and attention it deserves.

That's actually quite brilliant...

Gonna start doing that myself... When I can remember how to count, that is.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Electrons.

Are you saying that light is the movement of electrons along a wire?

 

[victorespinoza]

Are you saying that light is the movement of electrons along a wire?

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PHOTOELECTRIC SYSTEM:

 

[Kittamaru]

No, Victor... no no.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/solarcells/

Photovoltaics is the direct conversion of light into electricity at the atomic level. Some materials exhibit a property known as the photoelectric effect that causes them to absorb photons of light and release electrons. When these free electrons are captured, an electric current results that can be used as electricity.
The photoelectric effect was first noted by a French physicist, Edmund Bequerel, in 1839, who found that certain materials would produce small amounts of electric current when exposed to light. In 1905, Albert Einstein described the nature of light and the photoelectric effect on which photovoltaic technology is based, for which he later won a Nobel prize in physics. The first photovoltaic module was built by Bell Laboratories in 1954. It was billed as a solar battery and was mostly just a curiosity as it was too expensive to gain widespread use. In the 1960s, the space industry began to make the first serious use of the technology to provide power aboard spacecraft. Through the space programs, the technology advanced, its reliability was established, and the cost began to decline. During the energy crisis in the 1970s, photovoltaic technology gained recognition as a source of power for non-space applications.

http://solarenergy.net/solar-power-resources/how-photovoltaic-cells-work/

The photo-reactive material absorbs photons and emits electrons from a negatively charged semiconductor. These free electrons migrate to the positively charged layer of semiconductor, creating a voltage differential, much like a household battery. This movement is called electricity.

 

[Read-Only]

No, Victor... no no.

http://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2002/solarcells/



http://solarenergy.net/solar-power-resources/how-photovoltaic-cells-work/

The photo-reactive material absorbs photons and emits electrons from a negatively charged semiconductor. These free electrons migrate to the positively charged layer of semiconductor, creating a voltage differential, much like a household battery. This movement is called electricity.

That's all excellent information, Kitt. But Victor will not be able to understand any of it. We need to remember that he only has the brainpower of a 6-year-old child.

 

[victorespinoza]

REFUTING THE PHOTON​

OBSERVATION: The photon is the particle carrier of all forms of electromagnetic radiation, including the gamma rays, the x-rays, the ultraviolet light, the visible light (electromagnetic spectrum), the light infrared, the microwaves and the radio waves.

HYPOTHESIS: The photon is NOT particle-carrying, of all the aforementioned forms of electromagnetic radiation.

EXPERIMENTATION: It does not exist.

THEORY: The waves are a sea where moving the energy and the temperature, any value you need to go from one place to another without using the photon. To move the light of the Sun, the waves are created so that light will mobilize up to our planet. A Solar System is a sea made of a liquid called waves.

Very affectionately,
Víctor Espinoza Guédez Elias
May 5, 2014​

 

[Kittamaru]

No, Victor...

Like all elementary particles, photons are currently best explained by quantum mechanics and exhibit wave–particle duality, exhibiting properties of both waves and particles. For example, a single photon may be refracted by a lens or exhibit wave interference with itself, but also act as a particle giving a definite result when its position is measured.

We know Photons are not waves, nor are they wires... we also know, 100% for certain, they exist (or at least, as close to 100% as we can get within the confines of our own cognizant capacity to interact with and observe the known universe around us)

Photons, like all quantum objects, exhibit both wave-like and particle-like properties. Their dual wave–particle nature can be difficult to visualize. The photon displays clearly wave-like phenomena such as diffraction and interference on the length scale of its wavelength. For example, a single photon passing through a double-slit experiment lands on the screen exhibiting interference phenomena but only if no measure was made on the actual slit being run across. To account for the particle interpretation that phenomenon is called probability distribution but behaves according to Maxwell's equations.[48] However, experiments confirm that the photon is not a short pulse of electromagnetic radiation; it does not spread out as it propagates, nor does it divide when it encounters a beam splitter.[49] Rather, the photon seems to be a point-like particle since it is absorbed or emitted as a whole by arbitrarily small systems, systems much smaller than its wavelength, such as an atomic nucleus (≈10−15 m across) or even the point-like electron. Nevertheless, the photon is not a point-like particle whose trajectory is shaped probabilistically by the electromagnetic field, as conceived by Einstein and others; that hypothesis was also refuted by the photon-correlation experiments cited above. According to our present understanding, the electromagnetic field itself is produced by photons, which in turn result from a local gauge symmetry and the laws of quantum field theory

A key element of quantum mechanics is Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, which forbids the simultaneous measurement of the position and momentum of a particle along the same direction. Remarkably, the uncertainty principle for charged, material particles requires the quantization of light into photons, and even the frequency dependence of the photon's energy and momentum. An elegant illustration is Heisenberg's thought experiment for locating an electron with an ideal microscope.[50]

 

[victorespinoza]

No, Victor...



We know Photons are not waves, nor are they wires... we also know, 100% for certain, they exist (or at least, as close to 100% as we can get within the confines of our own cognizant capacity to interact with and observe the known universe around us)

Have you ever seen the photon? How is it? or no one has seen it. If I know that there are waves, but the photon does not.

 

[Kittamaru]

A photon looks like nothing, and everything. You are talking about something on a scale so small it falls under Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, as well as the Observer Effect, - that is to say, it is so small that nothing we have can measure it accurately WITHOUT fundamentally altering it in some way.

Think of it like this - you develop a system of measuring an object by throwing a tiny ball of a known mass, density, volume, and other statistics at an unknown object. You repeat this process over and over and, eventually, you get an outline of what the object looks like.

The problem is, in this case, the object you are trying to measure is smaller than the ball you are throwing... so instead of the ball coming back, it simply knocks the object you are trying to measure out of the way.

The other issue is that a photon is a fundamental "particle", but not of matter; a photon is a particle of energy travelling at high speed (the speed of light). The human eye interprets this as a chemical signal - to "see" a photon is, physically speaking, impossible right now.

HOWEVER
http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

We know photons are there because we can "stop" them - that is, we have been able to freeze them in place using a quantum interference effect.

 

[victorespinoza]

A photon looks like nothing, and everything. You are talking about something on a scale so small it falls under Heisenberg's uncertainty principle, as well as the Observer Effect, - that is to say, it is so small that nothing we have can measure it accurately WITHOUT fundamentally altering it in some way.

Think of it like this - you develop a system of measuring an object by throwing a tiny ball of a known mass, density, volume, and other statistics at an unknown object. You repeat this process over and over and, eventually, you get an outline of what the object looks like.

The problem is, in this case, the object you are trying to measure is smaller than the ball you are throwing... so instead of the ball coming back, it simply knocks the object you are trying to measure out of the way.

The other issue is that a photon is a fundamental "particle", but not of matter; a photon is a particle of energy travelling at high speed (the speed of light). The human eye interprets this as a chemical signal - to "see" a photon is, physically speaking, impossible right now.

HOWEVER
http://io9.com/scientists-freeze-light-for-an-entire-minute-912634479

We know photons are there because we can "stop" them - that is, we have been able to freeze them in place using a quantum interference effect.

If NOT they have been able to see it the PHOTON, then does not exist.

AND MY THEORY IS CORRECT​

 

[Kittamaru]

If NOT they have been able to see it the PHOTON, then does not exist.

AND MY THEORY IS CORRECT​

No, victor.

You can't "see" the wind, but you know it exists.
You can't "see" oxygen molecules, but you know they exist (you'd be dead otherwise).
You can't "see" carbon monoxide, but it can kill you just the same.

Just because you can't "see" something, doesn't mean you can claim it doesn't exist... science doesn't work that way.

 

[billvon]

If NOT they have been able to see it the PHOTON, then does not exist.

They have been able to see photon's effects. Thus they exist.

 

[Captain Kremmen]

Victor.
Why does a solar cell need a semiconductor?

If light was electrons, a conductor would be all that was required to capture the energy.

 

[Stryder]

Victor,
What's a "Double Slit" experiment? After if a photon has not been observed (as either or both states) how would such an experiment exist?

 

[victorespinoza]

 

[billvon]

AND MY ThEORY IS CORRECT

I've got ten thousand watts of solar panels - panels that are right now converting photons into electricity - that say you're wrong. Since the power they produce is real, and your theory is only in your mind . . .

 

[victorespinoza]

I've got ten thousand watts of solar panels - panels that are right now converting photons into electricity - that say you're wrong. Since the power they produce is real, and your theory is only in your mind . . .

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS IN THE PHOTOELECTRIC SYSTEM:

 

[Kittamaru]

No, Victor... no they don't. The existence of the Photon is extremely well documented. The whole particle/wave duality is also well documented. There are no waves converting into wires or bridges... just... just stop, please.

 

[billvon]

This is what happens in reality: (from Wikipedia)

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Simple explanation

- Photons in sunlight hit the solar panel and are absorbed by semiconducting materials, such as silicon.
- Electrons (negatively charged) are knocked loose from their atoms, allowing them to flow through the material to produce electricity. Due to the special composition of solar cells, the electrons are only allowed to move in a single direction.
- An array of solar cells converts solar energy into a usable amount of direct current (DC) electricity.

Photogeneration of charge carriers

When a photon hits a piece of silicon, one of three things can happen:

- the photon can pass straight through the silicon — this (generally) happens for lower energy photons,
- the photon can reflect off the surface,
- the photon can be absorbed by the silicon, if the photon energy is higher than the silicon band gap value. This generates an electron-hole pair and sometimes heat, depending on the band structure.

When a photon is absorbed, its energy is given to an electron in the crystal lattice. Usually this electron is in the valence band, and is tightly bound in covalent bonds between neighboring atoms, and hence unable to move far. The energy given to it by the photon "excites" it into the conduction band, where it is free to move around within the semiconductor. The covalent bond that the electron was previously a part of now has one fewer electron — this is known as a hole. The presence of a missing covalent bond allows the bonded electrons of neighboring atoms to move into the "hole," leaving another hole behind, and in this way a hole can move through the lattice. Thus, it can be said that photons absorbed in the semiconductor create mobile electron-hole pairs.

A photon need only have greater energy than that of the band gap in order to excite an electron from the valence band into the conduction band. However, the solar frequency spectrum approximates a black body spectrum at about 5,800 K and as such, much of the solar radiation reaching the Earth is composed of photons with energies greater than the band gap of silicon. These higher energy photons will be absorbed by the solar cell, but the difference in energy between these photons and the silicon band gap is converted into heat (via lattice vibrations — called phonons) rather than into usable electrical energy. The photovoltaic effect can also occur when two photons are absorbed simultaneously in a process called two-photon photovoltaic effect. However, high optical intensities are required for this nonlinear process.
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[victorespinoza]

This is what happens in reality: (from Wikipedia)

============
Simple explanation

- Photons in sunlight hit the solar panel and are absorbed by semiconducting materials, such as silicon.
- Electrons (negatively charged) are knocked loose from their atoms, allowing them to flow through the material to produce electricity. Due to the special composition of solar cells, the electrons are only allowed to move in a single direction.
- An array of solar cells converts solar energy into a usable amount of direct current (DC) electricity.

Photogeneration of charge carriers

When a photon hits a piece of silicon, one of three things can happen:

- the photon can pass straight through the silicon — this (generally) happens for lower energy photons,
- the photon can reflect off the surface,
- the photon can be absorbed by the silicon, if the photon energy is higher than the silicon band gap value. This generates an electron-hole pair and sometimes heat, depending on the band structure.

When a photon is absorbed, its energy is given to an electron in the crystal lattice. Usually this electron is in the valence band, and is tightly bound in covalent bonds between neighboring atoms, and hence unable to move far. The energy given to it by the photon "excites" it into the conduction band, where it is free to move around within the semiconductor. The covalent bond that the electron was previously a part of now has one fewer electron — this is known as a hole. The presence of a missing covalent bond allows the bonded electrons of neighboring atoms to move into the "hole," leaving another hole behind, and in this way a hole can move through the lattice. Thus, it can be said that photons absorbed in the semiconductor create mobile electron-hole pairs.

A photon need only have greater energy than that of the band gap in order to excite an electron from the valence band into the conduction band. However, the solar frequency spectrum approximates a black body spectrum at about 5,800 K and as such, much of the solar radiation reaching the Earth is composed of photons with energies greater than the band gap of silicon. These higher energy photons will be absorbed by the solar cell, but the difference in energy between these photons and the silicon band gap is converted into heat (via lattice vibrations — called phonons) rather than into usable electrical energy. The photovoltaic effect can also occur when two photons are absorbed simultaneously in a process called two-photon photovoltaic effect. However, high optical intensities are required for this nonlinear process.
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