Veil issue

[thedevilsreject]

where do you all stand on the issue of veils? i personally think that Jack Straw was well within his rights to make his request. there was nothing offensive meant by it and i think that the muslims who are making an issue out of this are blowing it all out of proportion.
as for the teacher who was suspended for refusing to take of her veil should have been given NO compensation for being suspended. as a student myself i would be tremendously uncomfortable with any-one covering their face so that only their eyes show. i wouldnt care who they were, if they refused to take of a face covering i would be the first person to complain. what do the rest of you think?

 

[draqon]

veils look so sexy...its like unwrapping a gift package...

they turn me on...oh yeah...*bites his lip*

 

[spidergoat]

I don't wear one myself.

 

[Michael]

The practice of wearing a veil didn’t start in Islamic countries until the 9th century - it was adopted from the Byzantine Christians

 

[Oniw17]

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I don't have a problem with veils. Particularly this kind.

 

[Pheegen]

Straight of the bat I would agree with you about the veil, that it would not be fair on the students, but then i think about this:

If a teacher was burnt seriously and had to wear a cover to protect from the sunlight, would it be fair to sack them?

And I must say, i've had teachers that have been so disinterested in educating that it wouldn't have mattered if I could see their face or not, as they would not show emotion, therefore they should be sacked too, but i've never heard of any teachers been given the sack over lack of emotion in their educating.

 

[Mr. G]

where do you all stand on the issue of veils?

I would treat veils the same as we already treat concealed (weapons) carry: Registration of veils so that their misuse carries litigous civil/criminal liabilities/penalties.

 

[Pheegen]

Mr. G proposes a society that regulates what you can put on your head, and prosecutes you for not wearing the correct 'headware'.

Ok, Mr. G, once you impose that one, what to next? Footwear? How about sunglasses, if you wear them, we can't see if you have some 'evil' doings on your mind.....

Hate to live in your world G.

 

[Michael]

The real question is not about wearing a veil, the real question is about one group of people coming to a new land in hopes of prosperity and the natural inhabitants trying to get said group to integrate into their society.

Does wearing a veil facilitate or inhibit Muslim integration?

I personally think it inhibits it a bit. If modesty is the reason then shouldn’t the butt-ugly and old be exempt from wearing a covering? I mean come on, some really old obese woman post-5 kids walks up wearing nothing – THAT would probably reduce any sexual desire down to zero! Also, why don’t the men cover up? There are probably lots of Gay Muslim men that must endure this sexual taunt of Muslim men prancing around in shorts – their face uncovered no less!



I am sure that if the Japanese dressed in their traditional costumes, shaved head and their eyebrows, blackened their teeth and made it plain that they thought of the English as Barbarians, worshipped their Emperor and hoped that one day the entire world would be under their God-King’s subjugation – well, I think people would have a problem. They would not integrate.

That is how many English view people wearing a veil that only shows the eyes.


question: Can two people living in one society worship two different (imaginary) deities, both preach that the other is going to go to hell (or at least is completely wrong in regards to “God”) and still get along? Why do the Hindu get along so swimmingly in England and Australia and America? Maybe 2 monotheism are destined to bump heads? Or maybe not? Probably during times of affluence there is tolerance but probably during times of poverty there is not. People will always make type2 errors, it’s in our DNA, therefore there will always be religious belief. But, do we really want a society that teaches this one-God stuff? Is it all that helpful to society? A beleif that condemns 2/3 of the world to a place of fire pain and death that actively seeks to convert them?

I still think that we should teach some serious archeological evidence in middle and high school on just where Islamic, Xian and Jewish beliefs came from – that is polytheism. Knock down the old walls and build something new.

Oh well,


Michael

 

[S.A.M.]

question: Can two people living in one society worship two different (imaginary) deities, both preach that the other is going to go to hell (or at least is completely wrong in regards to “God”) and still get along?

Do they preach that? And they can get along, they have, when the focus is the welfare of the community (and the world) rather than self-interest and profit.

I still think that we should teach some serious archeological evidence in middle and high school on just where Islamic, Xian and Jewish beliefs came from – that is polytheism. Knock down the old walls and build something new.

Actually everyone should study world religions, it brings people of different religions closer. And really understand what freedom of expression means, not just say the words.

 

[arkman]

as a student myself i would be tremendously uncomfortable with any-one covering their face so that only their eyes show.

Pythagorus instructed his pupils from behind a curtain.

Are you in college to learn or stare at the lecturer?

The question is irrelevant.

The source of all knowledge is the invisible.

Hence, Pythagorus' teaching method was the correct one.

 

[John99]

whhhhatt?

 

[John99]

who gives a

 

[spidergoat]

They wear the veil because they can't face reality.

 

[outlandish]

where do you all stand on the issue of veils? i personally think that Jack Straw was well within his rights to make his request. there was nothing offensive meant by it and i think that the muslims who are making an issue out of this are blowing it all out of proportion.
as for the teacher who was suspended for refusing to take of her veil should have been given NO compensation for being suspended. as a student myself i would be tremendously uncomfortable with any-one covering their face so that only their eyes show. i wouldnt care who they were, if they refused to take of a face covering i would be the first person to complain. what do the rest of you think?

where do you all stand on the issue of veils?

first the issue has to be identified and then addressed on a dialectical level, and for that one has to possess knowledge on the issue which is being addressed.

i personally think that Jack Straw was well within his rights to make his request.

jack straw offered nothing but subjective views and opinions tainted by prejudices and misconceptions which had no foundation in knowledge and facts. The issue of the veil was made an issue and was a thinly veiled excuse to vent deep seated prejudices about islam.
straw is a wretch.

there was nothing offensive meant by it

nothing offensive to you.

and i think that the muslims who are making an issue out of this are blowing it all out of proportion.

what you think is irrelevant.
muslims are not blowing it out of all proportion, the blame for this lays solely and totally with the media, and to suggest otherwise illustrates pure ignorance and a distorted view.

as a student myself i would be tremendously uncomfortable with any-one covering their face so that only their eyes show.

the root of your feeling of uncomfortableness lies in your deep and indoctrinated prejudice and distorted view of islam. This feeling is an irrational fear, which only occours because you do not possess any knowledge on islam, hence your ignorance fuels your sense of paranoia and fear.
the problem lies with your perception of islam.
muslims and islam cannot be blamed for the ignorance of non muslims, and as such are in now way obligated to justiify their beliefs to anyone.

 

[John99]

I don't have a problem with veils. Particularly this kind.

Masterfull.

 

[outlandish]

The real question is not about wearing a veil, the real question is about one group of people coming to a new land in hopes of prosperity and the natural inhabitants trying to get said group to integrate into their society.

Does wearing a veil facilitate or inhibit Muslim integration?

I personally think it inhibits it a bit. If modesty is the reason then shouldn’t the butt-ugly and old be exempt from wearing a covering? I mean come on, some really old obese woman post-5 kids walks up wearing nothing – THAT would probably reduce any sexual desire down to zero! Also, why don’t the men cover up? There are probably lots of Gay Muslim men that must endure this sexual taunt of Muslim men prancing around in shorts – their face uncovered no less!



I am sure that if the Japanese dressed in their traditional costumes, shaved head and their eyebrows, blackened their teeth and made it plain that they thought of the English as Barbarians, worshipped their Emperor and hoped that one day the entire world would be under their God-King’s subjugation – well, I think people would have a problem. They would not integrate.

That is how many English view people wearing a veil that only shows the eyes.


question: Can two people living in one society worship two different (imaginary) deities, both preach that the other is going to go to hell (or at least is completely wrong in regards to “God”) and still get along? Why do the Hindu get along so swimmingly in England and Australia and America? Maybe 2 monotheism are destined to bump heads? Or maybe not? Probably during times of affluence there is tolerance but probably during times of poverty there is not. People will always make type2 errors, it’s in our DNA, therefore there will always be religious belief. But, do we really want a society that teaches this one-God stuff? Is it all that helpful to society? A beleif that condemns 2/3 of the world to a place of fire pain and death that actively seeks to convert them?

I still think that we should teach some serious archeological evidence in middle and high school on just where Islamic, Xian and Jewish beliefs came from – that is polytheism. Knock down the old walls and build something new.

Oh well,


Michael

Does wearing a veil facilitate or inhibit Muslim integration?

I personally think it inhibits it a bit. If modesty is the reason then shouldn’t the butt-ugly and old be exempt from wearing a covering? I[/QIUOTE]

1) the burqah is not prescribed within islamic shariah, sunna or ahadith, however a women who does choose to wear the burqah not breaking any islamic law, or indeed any western law for that matter. It really is a matter of personal choice.
2) the concept of linking the issue of the veil with the issue of integration is a deeply surreptitious and subversive ploy implemented by the western popular media and serves no purpose but to further villify muslims and further perpetuate stereotypical views on islam held by nonmuslims.

 

[John99]

Really? wow

another banning, i'm so happy now

 

[lightgigantic]

They wear the veil because they can't face reality.

You are talking about men who have the problems extracting reality from fantasy aren't you?

"Now it’s been proven to me that anything with tits and a cunt can do anything to a man."
-Interviews With Seven Erotic Dancers [Tim Keefe]

 

[Oniw17]

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Didn't you say there were a lot of religious groups in India that get along fine?

The real question is not about wearing a veil, the real question is about one group of people coming to a new land in hopes of prosperity and the natural inhabitants trying to get said group to integrate into their society.

Why do the natives want the said group to integrate to their way of life? Won't they become more cultured by being exposed to others'?

Does wearing a veil facilitate or inhibit Muslim integration?

Why?

I personally think it inhibits it a bit. If modesty is the reason then shouldn’t the butt-ugly and old be exempt from wearing a covering? I mean come on, some really old obese woman post-5 kids walks up wearing nothing – THAT would probably reduce any sexual desire down to zero!

That's the whole point. It's the "what's on the inside" bullshit that you probably preach to your children.

Also, why don’t the men cover up? There are probably lots of Gay Muslim men that must endure this sexual taunt of Muslim men prancing around in shorts – their face uncovered no less!

Their God doesn't like homosexuals, like most monotheistic gods. Sikhs are my favorite monotheists.

I

am sure that if the Japanese dressed in their traditional costumes, shaved head and their eyebrows, blackened their teeth and made it plain that they thought of the English as Barbarians

Do muslims call the english barbaric? I've never had any I know call me barbaric, and I used to hang out with one of them almost every day. Then again, I'm not English.

worshipped their Emperor and hoped that one day the entire world would be under their God-King’s subjugation –

Don't all monotheisms do that?

question: Can two people living in one society worship two different (imaginary) deities, both preach that the other is going to go to hell (or at least is completely wrong in regards to “God”) and still get along?

Yes, I get along with people who tell me I'm going to Hell and am completely wrong in regards to God, and life in general in my own house.

Why do the Hindu get along so swimmingly in England and Australia and America? Maybe 2 monotheism are destined to bump heads? Or maybe not? Probably during times of affluence there is tolerance but probably during times of poverty there is not.

All religions are destined to bump heads in terms of their beliefs and philosophy.

People will always make type2 errors, it’s in our DNA, therefore there will always be religious belief. But, do we really want a society that teaches this one-God stuff? Is it all that helpful to society? A beleif that condemns 2/3 of the world to a place of fire pain and death that actively seeks to convert them?

Does society teach this or do individuals?