Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems....

[Dennis Tate]

You mean kill everything and terraform from scratch?
It's not a question of big-bigger-biggest technology, which requires ever more ever scarcer resources to inmplement and invariably has major oopsies - unplanned, unintended, unforeseen and unfixable-in-the-available-time side-effects.
It's a question of a sudden switch from global insanity to sensible behaviour.
Ain't gonna happen.
So, do ahead - kill the oceans to rain on the trees that can't live in sand anyway.

Actually no.... I plead guilty to perhaps being naive but I take
what this near death experiencer was shown about the future quite seriously.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

I went over to the other side during my near-death experience with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "we do not need this any more." Now we are actally in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my near-death experience loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers, YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

After dying, going through my near-death experience and coming back, I really respect life and death. In our DNA experiments we may have opened the door to a great secret. Soon we will be able to live as long as we want to live in this body. After living 150 years or so, there will be an intuitive soul sense that you will want to change channels. Living forever in one body is not as creative as reincarnation, as transferring energy in this fantastic vortex of energy that we are in. We are actually going to see the wisdom of life and death, and enjoy it.

 

[Jeeves]

Actually no.... I plead guilty to perhaps being naive but I take
what this near death experiencer was shown about the future quite seriously.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

 

[Dennis Tate]

Er, take your meds?

Hopefully by the third or fourth page of this discussion you will know that the title that I gave this thread was actually quite serious......
but there is a lot of background information that needs to be covered first.

City in Austria Printed Local Currency
Worgl, like many other European towns and cities, was hit hard by the Great Depression. There was mass unemployment; four of the five local factories had closed, and the people were starving in the streets. Nobody had any money to buy anything. One of the features of an economic depression is that there is not enough money in circulation to ensure that people can meet their basic needs, and in the 1930s, the shortage of currency in many countries of the world became catastrophic.

The mayor of Worgl, together with local businessmen, decided to try to break this economic impasse by creating their own local currency. They printed and issued 60,000 Austrian shillings worth of local currency. These shillings could only be spent in Worgl, so they remained in the local community and were exchanged over and over again.

The positive impact was immediate and surprising to everyone. In only six weeks, unemployment disappeared, all the factories had reopened and everyone had food. For the inhabitants of Worgl, the economic depression was gone. This dramatic transformation became known as the “miracle of Worgl.” Surrounding towns, inspired by the success of Worgl, immediately started printing their own local currencies.

Sadly, the miracle did not last long. When the Austrian Central Bank heard about Worgl’s local currency, they initiated legal proceedings against the mayor and local businessmen. According to Austrian banking law, it was illegal for anyone except the Austrian Central Bank to issue money. The bank won the court case, and the mayor was ordered to shut down the local currency, which he did, under threat of imprisonment. The town then returned to the devastating economic depression of the 1930s, with all the human pain and suffering associated with this catastrophe. Factories closed, and once again, the people starved.

Alternative Currency in the U.S.
Irving Fisher, an American professor of economics at Yale University, visited Worgl before the local currency was suppressed and witnessed the ‘miracle’ firsthand. When he returned to the United States, Fisher spread the word by traveling and lecturing across the country, advocating the use of the Worgl ‘scrip’ everywhere. Inspired by his vision, hundreds of communities began issuing their own currency, and by 1934 there were over 1,000 local communities using ‘scrip’ throughout the U.S.

Every one of these communities experienced a tremendous rejuvenation of their local economies. They thrived while others suffered. Fisher then met with President Franklin D. Roosevelt, proposing the implementation of government-sanctioned local ‘scrip’ in every community in America. When FDR consulted with his top financial advisors and bankers, however, he was advised to shut all the ‘scrip’ systems down, which he did. Instead, he borrowed large amounts of money from bankers, at interest, and used it to pay for the Reconstruction Finance Corporation and the other work-creation projects, which collectively came to be known as the ‘New Deal.’ So ended the last widespread use of a local currency within the U.S.

This pattern of economic collapse and re-emergence of local currencies has occurred thousands of times in many parts of the world. When these currencies have failed or have been suppressed, banks have not always been to blame. Sometimes, local currencies fail because they have been badly designed or implemented. Sometimes, people lose interest in them when the mainstream economy recovers. But they have always returned in one form or another during times of economic failure.

Our present world situation is uniquely different. Despite a relatively prosperous and stable world economy, a quiet monetary revolution has been occurring around the globe over the last 20 years. Awareness is growing about the flaws in our current monetary system, and people are re-creating viable alternatives. We are witnessing for the first time the worldwide creation of money systems designed by the people who use them, instead of by central banks." ( by Francis and Lia Ayley
The Truth About Money: The Money System—Isn’t There a Better Way?)

Further research on this important angle to the whole topic would be to take a look at either the Ithaca Hour and / or Calgary Dollars.

For the record.... here in Canada if you or I were to earn ten percent of our yearly income in Calgary Dollars.... (let's say we accepted ten thousand Calgary Dollars for a service we might have performed, we would owe the income tax on ten thousand Canadian dollars). An alternative currency note is legal if done in certain ways..... one of which is to link it to Canadian or USA dollars so that they can be taxed.


Thank you for deleting a comment that may not have been up to your usual standard..... at least that is my best guess as to why you would delete your comment. This latest post may somewhat grab your attention?

 

[Jeeves]

There was nothing to like. The reply box wasn't working.
I don't see the connection between a near-death experience and not giving a shit about oceans.

 

[Dennis Tate]

There was nothing to like. The reply box wasn't working.
I don't see the connection between a near-death experience and not giving a shit about oceans.

I personally do worry about our oceans......
but one near death experiencer ended up with a positive view of what humanity would accomplish
related to oceans and rain forests and deserts and many other phenomena during his NDE.

https://www.near-death.com/experiences/exceptional/mellen-thomas-benedict.html#a09

I went over to the other side during my near-death experience with a lot of fears about toxic waste, nuclear missiles, the population explosion, the rainforest. I came back loving every single problem. I love nuclear waste. I love the mushroom cloud; this is the holiest mandala that we have manifested to date, as an archetype. It, more than any religion or philosophy on earth, brought us together all of a sudden, to a new level of consciousness. Knowing that maybe we can blow up the planet fifty times, or 500 times, we finally realize that maybe we are all here together now. For a period they had to keep setting off more bombs to get it in to us. Then we started saying, "we do not need this any more." Now we are actally in a safer world than we have ever been in, and it is going to get safer. So I came back from my near-death experience loving toxic waste, because it brought us together. These things are so big. As Peter Russell might say, these problems are now "soul size." Do we have soul size answers, YES!

The clearing of the rain forest will slow down, and in fifty years there will be more trees on the planet than in a long time. If you are into ecology, go for it; you are that part of the system that is becoming aware. Go for it with all your might, but do not be depressed. It is part of a larger thing. Earth is in the process of domesticating itself. It is never again going to be as wild a place as it once was. There will be great wild places, reserves where nature thrives. Gardening and reserves will be the thing in the future. Population increase is getting very close to the optimal range of energy to cause a shift in consciousness. That shift in consciousness will change politics, money, energy.

I guess I worry more about our oceans than perhaps eighty or ninety percent of the population.

http://www.sciforums.com/threads/ph...-to-the-geography-of-the-bay-of-fundy.164103/

Physics question related to the geography of the Bay of Fundy?

 

[Bells]

Mod Note

Dennis, I notice you tend to cross post quite a bit (linking to your posts in other threads when you post) - this is often off topic and makes little sense.

Please stop doing this.

You also seem to veer wildly off topic, and it results in a jumble of words that have no bearing on the discussion at hand. Please stop doing that.

 

[pluto2]

This world always had tons of problems even before today but I think that today it has even more. Some of the problems are financial, others are economical, some are environmental problems but there are also many social problems.

This world really feels very scary and unforgiving sometimes and I think this is the reason why so many poor young men and women are taking their own lives. It's because they are very poor and helpless and they feel like their situation in life is hopeless and if you ever find yourself in such a situation in life where you feel that everything is truly hopeless for you then you obviously will resort to suicide to relieve yourself of the constant pain, the constant worrying and the constant suffering which can be really unbearable.

 

[exchemist]

This world always had tons of problems even before today but I think that today it has even more. Some of the problems are financial, others are economical, some are environmental problems but there are also many social problems.

This world really feels very scary and unforgiving sometimes and I think this is the reason why so many poor young men and women are taking their own lives. It's because they are very poor and helpless and they feel like their situation in life is hopeless and if you ever find yourself in such a situation in life where you feel that everything is truly hopeless for you then you obviously will resort to suicide to relieve yourself of the constant pain, the constant worrying and the constant suffering which can be really unbearable.

Thanks for the insight, Eeyore.

 

[RainbowSingularity]

theory
Could turning deserts green through mega- scale desalination begin climate cooling????

what effect would the salt piles have ?
how would you pump the water out into the desert ?
large canals with solar pumps ?

carbon capture is good, but emission reduction is critical

trees that can't live in sand anyway

as noted the sand would need some type of nutrient added

a far better option would be to build kilometers of seaweed farms
these could breed shrimp also & not require de-salination AND provide protein & critical nutrients found in sea weed.
also mussel farms

middle eastern people have a cultural phobia towards selfish
also many indians do
that is hundreds of millions of people who are scared of sea food & wont eat it.
in key locations

you do not want people who hate the animal/plant growing it for food

middle eastern countrys could build massive shrimp farms and sea weed farms in low laying sea inlet areas like salt farms.

cultural (xenophobia)issues between middle eastern Indian and Asian people would need to be addressed

 

[origin]

I personally do worry about our oceans......
but one near death experiencer ended up with a positive view of what humanity would accomplish
related to oceans and rain forests and deserts and many other phenomena during his NDE.

Well there you go, global warming is nothing to worry about. Living in a fantasy sure is comforting, isn't it?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

worry
unified-field-theory-of-modern-world-problems

technically
the sun having a solar flare CME or extreme solar wind event partially mixed with lower grade CME and or change in magnetic field at the same time of a solar minimum with a hole etc
yadda yadda yadda

short story version
everything that happens to the earth can also be caused by non earth things
additionally a object from a different galaxy can crash into earth and wipe it out

look at the moon and some of the other moons in the system

we know it happens

there was a theory floated some decades back about collective leap evolution cycles
where an idea is conceived by many different people all at the same time around the world

such a theory hands a lot of hidden power to institutionalized religion and a sense of lack of democratic power of the individual
so it makes money & power regardless of it having any real scientific discovery & prooving(i prefer prooving to proofing for its sound & functional action) to it
people WANT to believe.

so unified religion
single gods
single person in charge of everyone else who owns all the money and owns all the virgins etc etc
been there done that for the last few thousand years

positive visualization, the secret etc etc .... self help scams
personal development 12 step franchised cash making social engineering ... etc etc ...

some thing are good
some things are bad
some things can be both

YOU are the unified object defining your own right to an opinion as the observer
that too is a state of human evolutional process

getting everyone to agree to the same thing/god/person/ideology is not the answer(that's also not democracy but lets not get too technical)
change is the answer & the change has to happen because very nasty change(climate change) is going to happen

to the reader
your panic is indeed YOUR panic
thats YOURS not mine

 

[Dennis Tate]

This world always had tons of problems even before today but I think that today it has even more. Some of the problems are financial, others are economical, some are environmental problems but there are also many social problems.

This world really feels very scary and unforgiving sometimes and I think this is the reason why so many poor young men and women are taking their own lives. It's because they are very poor and helpless and they feel like their situation in life is hopeless and if you ever find yourself in such a situation in life where you feel that everything is truly hopeless for you then you obviously will resort to suicide to relieve yourself of the constant pain, the constant worrying and the constant suffering which can be really unbearable.

I believe that the very natural progression of scary events surrounding climate change will
cause humanity to unite somewhat but......
Dr. Bjorn Lomborg postulated that it would take more than a century for any variation on a Carbon Tax to
begin to address the threat of rising ocean levels.....
so deliberately turning deserts green would at least begin to divert serious amounts of ocean out of the ocean
to a place inland where it would not be threatening a city like New Orleans, New Jersey or Miami or to flood the entire Maldive Islands.

One serious issue that I believe will soon be addressed is the way that nations create their own money....
this is one important part of the larger picture.


The situation here in Canada is much more simple due to the numbers being so much smaller than in the USA.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Well no.

The better option is to address what is causing global warming, thereby reducing its effects.

Also, the amount of water required to counter the threat of rising sea levels would be astronomical and would in itself, pose risk and threat to the environment, not to mention add to global warming..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-impacts-of-relying-on-desalination/

Have you listened to the theory on putting carbon back into the soil?

 

[RainbowSingularity]

I believe that the very natural progression of scary events surrounding climate change will
cause humanity to unite somewhat but......

i doubt that
because millions will be dying & the elite with power & money will be scrambling to build their walls and gather their private armys
keeping in mind it is those very same people who have been in control & failed to act.
so what ever game plan they have will be in full swing at that stage.

many of them are probably hoping for a few billion to die off

remember 2 things
a sizeable proportion of the worlds population think the world is over populated
poor middle class upper class & elite
a sizeable proportion of the worlds population believe in survival of the fittest
poor middle class upper class & elite

they just dont want to be part of the mass die off

 

[Dennis Tate]

No.

Cities, suburbs and roads do more damage. Chop down trees, remove green spaces, replace them with concrete, bricks, roads, etc..

Deserts aren't to blame for global warming.


Umm no.

https://cas.wsu.edu/connect/april-2014/can-deserts-slow-global-warming/


I do not see how destroying vital eco systems acceptable, when so many people refuse to alter their ways which are so damaging to the environment.


What does this have to do with what you were discussing?


Plant more trees. Stop chopping trees down. Increase the number of green spaces in cities. Plant shade trees so they provide shade to roads and buildings. Start looking at things like solar power, wind power as alternatives.

As for hydrogen fuel..

Because pure hydrogen does not occur naturally on Earth in large quantities, it usually requires a primary energy input to produce on an industrial scale.[8] Hydrogen fuel can be produced from methane or by electrolysis of water.[9] As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (∼95%) is produced from fossil fuels by steam reforming or partial oxidation of methane and coal gasification with only a small quantity by other routes such as biomass gasification or electrolysis of water.[10][2][11]

Steam-methane reforming, the current leading technology for producing hydrogen in large quantities,[12] extracts hydrogen from methane. However, this reaction releases fossil carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide into the atmosphere which are greenhouse gases exogenous to the natural carbon cycle, and thus contribute to climate change.​

The statistics on Derivatives begins to help us to understand that there is something of a myth that we cannot afford to do what really needs to be done......
to finance positively altering the world economy.....
such as deliberately turn deserts green or put carbon back into the soil, turn the soil dark and more fertile.....
and grow more beef or goats even in areas where the land has been destroyed.

Dr. Geoff Lawton and his team proved that desert areas could be made productive again.

Since the worldwide Derivatives markets in 2014 was seven hundred and ten trillion dollars... and the USA Derivatives markets was two hundred and ten trillion dollars..... and since Derivatives are only one part of the massive Insurance Industry......
we can begin to know that the idea of the USA having a thirty trillion dollar debt load will not cause the USA to go bankrupt!

 

[Dennis Tate]

i doubt that
because millions will be dying & the elite with power & money will be scrambling to build their walls and gather their private armys
keeping in mind it is those very same people who have been in control & failed to act.
so what ever game plan they have will be in full swing at that stage.

many of them are probably hoping for a few billion to die off

remember 2 things
a sizeable proportion of the worlds population think the world is over populated
poor middle class upper class & elite
a sizeable proportion of the worlds population believe in survival of the fittest
poor middle class upper class & elite

they just dont want to be part of the mass die off

Yes.... at this time the misinformation that is fed to the general public by the one to ten million most highly reimbursed
employees of the wealthiest eight thousand five hundred people on earth is rather in line with the elitist idea of Robert Thomas Malthus.......
and yes.... many of them feel that a ninety percent depopulation is necessary.... which is bad news for ninety percent of us.

CEO's of large companies with a certain number of employees are paid eleven million dollars annually and part of the reason for this is so that
they will have the incentive to withhold critical information from the general public.

 

[Dennis Tate]

Here is a five minute video that can cause the whole discussion on climate change to look
much less scary than in the past.....

Carbon Farming: Harnessing The Power of The Soil

 

[Dennis Tate]

You mean kill everything and terraform from scratch?
It's not a question of big-bigger-biggest technology, which requires ever more ever scarcer resources to inmplement and invariably has major oopsies - unplanned, unintended, unforeseen and unfixable-in-the-available-time side-effects.
It's a question of a sudden switch from global insanity to sensible behaviour.
Ain't gonna happen.
So, do ahead - kill the oceans to rain on the trees that can't live in sand anyway.

Why would you assume that I intend to take this idea in the most extremely unethical and foolish direction possible?

Thank you for livening up the discussion though..... because extreme ideas like that do tend to liven up a debate.

Here is one paragraph by a near death experiencer that pretty much sums up what I am hoping this discussion lays a foundation for.

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people." (Howard Storm)

https://www.near-death.com/religion/christianity/howard-storm.html#a04

 

[Jeeves]

I'm sure that has some relevance to desalination, even if I can't see it.
I don't have any extreme ideas - I just read the large print on the wall.

 

[Dennis Tate]

I'm sure that has some relevance to desalination, even if I can't see it.
I don't have any extreme ideas - I just read the large print on the wall.

If you mean this paragraph...the point is that this is a response to climate change that might just gain a larger percentage of agreement from across the political spectrum and even in more cultures than are now discussing the options.

They explained to me that their concern was for all the people of the world. They weren't interested in one group getting ahead of other groups. They want every person to consider every other person greater than their own flesh. They want everyone to love everyone else, completely; more, even, than they love themselves. If someone, someplace else in the world hurts, than we should hurt we should feel their pain. And we should help them. Our planet has evolved to the point, for the first time in our history, that we have the power to do that. We are globally linked. And we could become one people." (Howard Storm)