Unified Field Theory of Modern World Problems....

Could turning deserts green through mega- scale desalination begin climate cooling????

  • Yes

    Votes: 3 75.0%
  • No

    Votes: 1 25.0%
  • Perhaps a little but not economically feasible....

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    4

Dennis Tate

Banned
... founded upon a win - win - win - win - win alternative theory on stabilization of the climate proposed by a New Mexico biologist and coach.

I admit that I am biased... due partly to the fact that the lake that our house is on is classified as tidal water......
plus... the mathematics of the Bay of Fundy have me asking questions that some others may not have looked at seriously yet.

So here is the theory by Carl Cantrell that really got me thinking since 2007....

Global Warming II by Carl Cantrell

“So how is our problem of continental drying causing global warming? It all has to do with vegetation and sunlight. When sun light hits a plant, it causes a process which we call photosynthesis where the energy from the sun light creates oxygen for us to breath, water for us to drink, and is stored as sugar for plants and animals to use. When the same sun light hits the soil, all of its energy turns into heat and is radiated back into the atmosphere, carried away by running surface water such as rain fall, is carried away to other areas by our winds, and diffuses down into the soil towards the earth's crust. All of this warms our planet increasing its average temperature.”

“Therefore, the less vegetation you have on the planet, the more sunlight is being turned into heat and the warmer the planet becomes. This is very critical because warmer and dryer winds dry out other land areas faster decreasing the vegetation on those land areas. Less humidity in the air also reflects less sun light back out into space so that more sun light strikes the earth and more heat is generated….”

“The truth is that you can do more to decrease global warming by just reducing the average temperature for the Sahara Desert by one or two degrees than if we humans completely quit using fossil fuels and returned to the cave….”

“So, how would you start working to resolve this problem? Easy, cool the deserts and get some vegetation growing on them as soon as possible. But the method is much more complex than that. You have to use the prevailing trade winds in relation to the deserts to get the best results as quickly as possible and it will be extremely expensive….”

“Then we build desalination plants along the coast near these water sheds and pipe water to the tops or ridges of the water sheds…”

“This will do a number of things. First, it will increase the moisture in the desert soil so that it will develop water tables and water will begin to run in the streams. This water will increase the amount of vegetation in the area and decrease the amount of heat being generated by sun light cooling the watered area and all areas down wind of the watered area. As more available water evaporates, it will cool the air and reflect more sun light back out into space cooling the area even more. Cooler and more humid air will have less of a heating effect on areas down wind and will reflect more sun light back into space in those areas cooling areas we won't be watering yet. Cooler and more humid air will also have less of a warming effect on our seas and oceans.”

“Rain water running off of cooler soil will decrease the heating effect on our oceans and our planet crusts which will decrease catastrophic storm activities for other areas and seismic activity for the entire planet. Also, returning more ocean water to the surface and aquifers of our continents will lower the sea levels providing more usable land for us to farm and build on.”

“With cooler desert areas and increasing vegetation, less water will evaporate from our deserts increasing the amount of surface water even more and increasing the amount of vegetation and animal life by huge amounts because deserts currently take up more than 20% of our land surface. Populations will be able to spread out and there will be less competition for existing land areas.”

“This strategy has to be done in steps with the first step being to begin slowing the rate at which our global warming is increasing. We need to focus on that until we have brought it to a point to where the temperature is not increasing any more and is reasonably stable. While we are doing this, we need to come to a global consensus of just how cool we want to cool our planet down to. If we cool it down too much, we will begin to have devastatingly harsh winters in large populated areas and even cause an ice age to set in.”

“Then we begin cooling the planet down to a point which will be most beneficial for all countries or the planet as a whole. We need to gradually bring the temperature down because there may be a lag effect in which the planet will continue cooling after we stop increasing our efforts to cool it off more. We may even want to stop cooling the planet once or twice before we reach our targeted temperatures to see if there is a lag effect…”


“We need to start working on this as soon as possible because, if the planet reaches a point to where it is warming faster than our technology can possibly stop or reverse this warming trend, then our planet is lost and all life will cease to exist on this planet within a relatively short period of time. We will need to start with the largest and hottest deserts because cooling them will have the greatest benefit in the least time. (Global Warming II by biologist Carl Cantrell).
 
I live five kms from the Atlantic Ocean and tidal waters......
plus... I often drive past Truro, N. S. and as I do so a mathematical problem
tends to cross my mind.


"If average ocean levels rose by eight to ten cms (3 or 4 inches) could high tide...
... rise by one meter in the Isthmus of Chignecto in Nova Scotia, Canada?


This question is logical because the geography of Canada's Bay of Fundy produces the world's highest tides. In my part of Nova Scotia in Guysborough County there is very little funnelling of tidal waters......... so high tide is only about one to one point five meters above low tide.

In the eastern area of the Bay of Fundy high tide levels are up by ten to fifteen meters."

Mega-scale desalination of ocean water in Australia, California, Israel, Jordan, Qatar, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia or in any other nation experiencing shortages of fresh water is really good news for the residents of the town of Truro, N. S., Canada, the City of Monton, New Brunswick, Canada as well as for Anchorage Alaska. Every cubic meter of ocean water desalinated and added to the water table of a nation experiencing water shortage is arguably the lowest cost long term solution to the threat posed by rising ocean levels that will likely be felt first along the Bay of Fundy as well as Anchorage, Alaska.


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So how does all of this connect with the idea of addressing multiple major Modern World Problems simultaneously?

If the Islamic nations embark on a plan to turn major parts of their nations green using Israeli mega-scale desalination technology.....
it would seem to me that the "Doomesday Clock" could perhaps be moved a minute or two away from midnight?????

Sorek Desalination Plant
 
Climate change is by the far not the only problem that plagues the world today.

Even before climate change this world was a dystopian hellhole.

There are many other problems, some of them social problems, that humanity need to overcome besides climate change:

1. Corruption in government and alienation of poor people.

2. Men and women who suffer sexually because of their ugly and undesirable physical appearance.

3. The suffering experienced by very poor people (especially males) and also by the homeless.

4. Shortage and scarcity of resources. Whether we like it or not this planet would eventually run out of important resources and then life will be much more difficult especially for poor and vulnerable populations.

5. Excessive hypergamy and degeneracy in society where poor and ugly men cannot get any kind of affection and intimacy from beautiful young women.

Lets face it. Ugly men are destined to lead a life full of loneliness, jealousy, sadness and seclusion and if the ugly male is also very poor then he suffers even much more because we all know that money and also health can compensate for not getting any sex and affection from beautiful women.

So these are some of the worlds problems besides global warming and I'm sure there're many more out there but I'm sure these are the basic ones.

This world is clearly dystopian and scary and I don't understand why so many people even want to live to old age.
 
... founded upon a win - win - win - win - win alternative theory on stabilization of the climate proposed by a New Mexico biologist and coach.

I admit that I am biased... due partly to the fact that the lake that our house is on is classified as tidal water......
plus... the mathematics of the Bay of Fundy have me asking questions that some others may not have looked at seriously yet.

So here is the theory by Carl Cantrell that really got me thinking since 2007....
Ironically there is now evidence that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is already starting to green the deserts, a bit, even without any irrigation: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

There could be a virtuous circle here to exploit.
 
Ironically there is now evidence that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is already starting to green the deserts, a bit, even without any irrigation: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

There could be a virtuous circle here to exploit.


That article is truly encouraging!

Wow!
An international team of 32 authors from 24 institutions in eight countries led the effort, which involved using satellite data from NASA’s Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectrometer and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration’s Advanced Very High Resolution Radiometer instruments to help determine the leaf area index, or amount of leaf cover, over the planet’s vegetated regions. The greening represents an increase in leaves on plants and trees equivalent in area to two times the continental United States.
 
Mod Note

Climate change is by the far not the only problem that plagues the world today.

Even before climate change this world was a dystopian hellhole.

There are many other problems, some of them social problems, that humanity need to overcome besides climate change:

1. Corruption in government and alienation of poor people.

2. Men and women who suffer sexually because of their ugly and undesirable physical appearance.

3. The suffering experienced by very poor people (especially males) and also by the homeless.

4. Shortage and scarcity of resources. Whether we like it or not this planet would eventually run out of important resources and then life will be much more difficult especially for poor and vulnerable populations.

5. Excessive hypergamy and degeneracy in society where poor and ugly men cannot get any kind of affection and intimacy from beautiful young women.

Lets face it. Ugly men are destined to lead a life full of loneliness, jealousy, sadness and seclusion and if the ugly male is also very poor then he suffers even much more because we all know that money and also health can compensate for not getting any sex and affection from beautiful women.

So these are some of the worlds problems besides global warming and I'm sure there're many more out there but I'm sure these are the basic ones.

This world is clearly dystopian and scary and I don't understand why so many people even want to live to old age.

Please stop infesting threads with your incel crap.
 
Mega-scale desalination of ocean water in Australia, California, Israel, Jordan, Qatar, Algeria, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia or in any other nation experiencing shortages of fresh water is really good news for the residents of the town of Truro, N. S., Canada, the City of Monton, New Brunswick, Canada as well as for Anchorage Alaska. Every cubic meter of ocean water desalinated and added to the water table of a nation experiencing water shortage is arguably the lowest cost long term solution to the threat posed by rising ocean levels that will likely be felt first along the Bay of Fundy as well as Anchorage, Alaska.
Well no.

The better option is to address what is causing global warming, thereby reducing its effects.

Also, the amount of water required to counter the threat of rising sea levels would be astronomical and would in itself, pose risk and threat to the environment, not to mention add to global warming..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-impacts-of-relying-on-desalination/
 
Well no.

The better option is to address what is causing global warming, thereby reducing its effects.

Also, the amount of water required to counter the threat of rising sea levels would be astronomical and would in itself, pose risk and threat to the environment, not to mention add to global warming..

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/the-impacts-of-relying-on-desalination/


But are the world's deserts acting like something of a furnace for the whole earth?

The Sahara Desert is huge and in the afternoon the sand is over a hundred degrees but is cool by the next morning. Where did the heat go...... obviously higher and higher into the atmosphere.

Many will say that we cannot afford to do something as big as to turn a significant percentage of the world's deserts green but....
the statistic was given for the worldwide Derivatives markets in 2014 being seven hundred and ten trillion. The USA Derivatives markets were
two hundred and ten trillion at that time so the possibility comes up that the science of money creation may not be as open and honest as it perhaps should be?

I am hopeful though that a shift over to mostly hydrogen fuel will be coming soon.
 
But are the world's deserts acting like something of a furnace for the whole earth?

The Sahara Desert is huge and in the afternoon the sand is over a hundred degrees but is cool by the next morning. Where did the heat go...... obviously higher and higher into the atmosphere.

Many will say that we cannot afford to do something as big as to turn a significant percentage of the world's deserts green but....
the statistic was given for the worldwide Derivatives markets in 2014 being seven hundred and ten trillion. The USA Derivatives markets were
two hundred and ten trillion at that time so the possibility comes up that the science of money creation may not be as open and honest as it perhaps should be?

I am hopeful though that a shift over to mostly hydrogen fuel will be coming soon.
Why did you title this thread Unified Field Theory, when the subject of the thread has nothing at all to do with a field theory of any kind, unified or not?
 
But are the world's deserts acting like something of a furnace for the whole earth?
No.

Cities, suburbs and roads do more damage. Chop down trees, remove green spaces, replace them with concrete, bricks, roads, etc..

Deserts aren't to blame for global warming.

The Sahara Desert is huge and in the afternoon the sand is over a hundred degrees but is cool by the next morning. Where did the heat go...... obviously higher and higher into the atmosphere.
Umm no.

https://cas.wsu.edu/connect/april-2014/can-deserts-slow-global-warming/

Many will say that we cannot afford to do something as big as to turn a significant percentage of the world's deserts green but....
I do not see how destroying vital eco systems acceptable, when so many people refuse to alter their ways which are so damaging to the environment.

the statistic was given for the worldwide Derivatives markets in 2014 being seven hundred and ten trillion. The USA Derivatives markets were
two hundred and ten trillion at that time so the possibility comes up that the science of money creation may not be as open and honest as it perhaps should be?
What does this have to do with what you were discussing?

I am hopeful though that a shift over to mostly hydrogen fuel will be coming soon.
Plant more trees. Stop chopping trees down. Increase the number of green spaces in cities. Plant shade trees so they provide shade to roads and buildings. Start looking at things like solar power, wind power as alternatives.

As for hydrogen fuel..

Because pure hydrogen does not occur naturally on Earth in large quantities, it usually requires a primary energy input to produce on an industrial scale.[8] Hydrogen fuel can be produced from methane or by electrolysis of water.[9] As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (∼95%) is produced from fossil fuels by steam reforming or partial oxidation of methane and coal gasification with only a small quantity by other routes such as biomass gasification or electrolysis of water.[10][2][11]

Steam-methane reforming, the current leading technology for producing hydrogen in large quantities,[12] extracts hydrogen from methane. However, this reaction releases fossil carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide into the atmosphere which are greenhouse gases exogenous to the natural carbon cycle, and thus contribute to climate change.
 
Why did you title this thread Unified Field Theory, when the subject of the thread has nothing at all to do with a field theory of any kind, unified or not?

Compare what has been written so far in this discussion to an opening gambit in something of a game of chess.......
with the many bright people who may be lured into this discussion by the title.......

Was Moses a brilliant economist?

This concept that he is reported to have recorded for all of us seems to have potential...... under our circumstances in
our time period?!

"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

I happen to have liked Mr. Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" and watched it many times but......
I felt that he and his best promoters took his ideas and ran with them in such a way as to divide America's political left and right......
I personally think that there are ways to get across somewhat similar ideas as Mr. Gore"s and / or his professor who taught him the
foundation for his theories / and use them in such a way that they appeal to America's political right........ to a significantly higher degree than has been done so far!

The alternative theory of turning deserts green to begin at least some parts of stabilization of the climate.....
could appeal to people who do not laugh when they read certain passages in Isaiah chapter thirty five!
 
No.

Cities, suburbs and roads do more damage. Chop down trees, remove green spaces, replace them with concrete, bricks, roads, etc..

Deserts aren't to blame for global warming.


Umm no.

https://cas.wsu.edu/connect/april-2014/can-deserts-slow-global-warming/


I do not see how destroying vital eco systems acceptable, when so many people refuse to alter their ways which are so damaging to the environment.


What does this have to do with what you were discussing?


Plant more trees. Stop chopping trees down. Increase the number of green spaces in cities. Plant shade trees so they provide shade to roads and buildings. Start looking at things like solar power, wind power as alternatives.

As for hydrogen fuel..

Because pure hydrogen does not occur naturally on Earth in large quantities, it usually requires a primary energy input to produce on an industrial scale.[8] Hydrogen fuel can be produced from methane or by electrolysis of water.[9] As of 2020, the majority of hydrogen (∼95%) is produced from fossil fuels by steam reforming or partial oxidation of methane and coal gasification with only a small quantity by other routes such as biomass gasification or electrolysis of water.[10][2][11]

Steam-methane reforming, the current leading technology for producing hydrogen in large quantities,[12] extracts hydrogen from methane. However, this reaction releases fossil carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide into the atmosphere which are greenhouse gases exogenous to the natural carbon cycle, and thus contribute to climate change.


For the record I do agree with you that cities are a major problem which brings us to the possibility that the students
and disciples of Thomas Malthus may well have already saved the world from Deplorables like myself by
convincing the governments of this earth to deliberately make the economies of nations appear to be virtually bankrupt
on paper!

Although what they did may well deserve some credit......
based on their circumstances at the time that they taught what they taught.....
none the less I feel that our situation is now different and I believe humans are ready for
newer and better theories than:


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Robert_Malthus

The Malthusian controversy to which the Essay gave rise in the decades following its publication tended to focus attention on the birth rate and marriage rates. The neo-Malthusian controversy, comprising related debates of many years later, has seen a similar central role assigned to the numbers of children born.[22] On the whole it may be said that Malthus's revolutionary ideas in the sphere of population growth remain relevant to economic thought even today and continue to make economists ponder about the future.
 
Ironically there is now evidence that the increase in atmospheric CO2 is already starting to green the deserts, a bit, even without any irrigation: https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/2016/carbon-dioxide-fertilization-greening-earth

There could be a virtuous circle here to exploit.


Canada's Green Party Leader Ms. Elizabeth May campaigned in my region of Nova Scotia, back in 2008.

I sent her a copy of my campaign writing for Municipal Councillor and she replied to me essentially that:
"Turning deserts green was one part of a full response to climate change." (Ms. Elizabeth May, 2008)


If you are really, really, really bored today... you might find this discussion somewhat intriguing..... .then again maybe not????

"Ignorance shown in my 2008 campaign, my apology to Ms. Elizabeth May!"
 
Climate change is by the far not the only problem that plagues the world today.

Even before climate change this world was a dystopian hellhole.

There are many other problems, some of them social problems, that humanity need to overcome besides climate change:

1. Corruption in government and alienation of poor people.

2. Men and women who suffer sexually because of their ugly and undesirable physical appearance.

3. The suffering experienced by very poor people (especially males) and also by the homeless.

4. Shortage and scarcity of resources. Whether we like it or not this planet would eventually run out of important resources and then life will be much more difficult especially for poor and vulnerable populations.

5. Excessive hypergamy and degeneracy in society where poor and ugly men cannot get any kind of affection and intimacy from beautiful young women.

Lets face it. Ugly men are destined to lead a life full of loneliness, jealousy, sadness and seclusion and if the ugly male is also very poor then he suffers even much more because we all know that money and also health can compensate for not getting any sex and affection from beautiful women.


So these are some of the worlds problems besides global warming and I'm sure there're many more out there but I'm sure these are the basic ones.

This world is clearly dystopian and scary and I don't understand why so many people even want to live to old age.


For millennia old white guys like me have been wrestling with the complexities of life in four dimensional space -time and the issue of convincing beautiful young women
to want to dedicate their lives to listening to our every brilliant pronouncement and cater to our every whim and need right up until the moment that our ability to breathe ceases!

We older white guys have gotten into some pretty diabolical, dastardly, despicable and devious endeavours in our efforts to solve this admittedly
rather serious issue........ (at least to us older white guys, minimum)?!

I submit that some of our efforts to keep younger women enraptured with our brilliance may well be endangering all life on earth..... to at least some degree????



http://mailstar.net/money.html

1) Financing Sustainable Development, by John H. Hotson

{p. 1} INTRODUCTION

As every environmentalist knows, over the last few centuries we humans have created an ecologically unsustainable industrial economy. Unless we radically reform our way of doing things and create a sustainable economic system we are doomed to suffer drastic changes. What most environmentalists--and indeed most economists--do not know is that over the last few centuries we humans have also created an economically unsustainable financial system. Unless we radically reform this financial system it will recurringly break down and thwart our efforts to heal the planet.

Our current financial system diverts us from our real problems to ask, "Where is the money going to come from?" This should be the least of our worries. As long as we have vast unmet human needs and idle human and nonhuman resources, and resources which can be diverted from wasteful activities such as the military, finance should never be allowed to stand in the way of doing what must be done. Could anything be more insane than for the human race to die out because we "couldn't afford" to save ourselves?
 
Compare what has been written so far in this discussion to an opening gambit in something of a game of chess.......
with the many bright people who may be lured into this discussion by the title.......

Was Moses a brilliant economist?

This concept that he is reported to have recorded for all of us seems to have potential...... under our circumstances in
our time period?!

"And the LORD came down to see the city and the tower, which the children of men builded.
And the LORD said, Behold, the people is one, and they have all one language; and this they begin to do: and now nothing will be restrained from them, which they have imagined to do." (Genesis 11)

I happen to have liked Mr. Al Gore's film "An Inconvenient Truth" and watched it many times but......
I felt that he and his best promoters took his ideas and ran with them in such a way as to divide America's political left and right......
I personally think that there are ways to get across somewhat similar ideas as Mr. Gore"s and / or his professor who taught him the
foundation for his theories / and use them in such a way that they appeal to America's political right........ to a significantly higher degree than has been done so far!

The alternative theory of turning deserts green to begin at least some parts of stabilization of the climate.....
could appeal to people who do not laugh when they read certain passages in Isaiah chapter thirty five!
Er, take your meds?
 
Er, take your meds?

The atmosphere in the Middle East is changing in several important ways.....

Jumping Jehoshaphat! Have You Seen How Many Israelis Just Visited the U.A.E.?
We may be witnessing a major realignment of the Middle East.


By Thomas L. Friedman

Opinion Columnist

  • March 2, 2021
I was Googling around the other day for a factoid: how many Israelis had visited the United Arab Emirates since the signing of their normalization agreement, known as the Abraham Accords. Answer: more than 130,000.

Conservative Jews... conservative Christians and even Muslims can easily be convinced of the value in investing in turning deserts green but a carbon tax would take more than a century to begin to decrease the tendency for ocean levels to rise.
Book 005, Number 2208:
"Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) as saying: The Last Hour will not come before wealth becomes abundant and overflowing, so much so that a man takes Zakat out of his property and cannot find anyone to accept it from him and till the land of Arabia becomes meadows and rivers."
SAHIH MUSLIM, BOOK 25: The Book on General Behaviour (Kitab Al-Adab)
 
The atmosphere in the Middle East is changing in several important ways.....

Jumping Jehoshaphat! Have You Seen How Many Israelis Just Visited the U.A.E.?
We may be witnessing a major realignment of the Middle East.


By Thomas L. Friedman

Opinion Columnist

  • March 2, 2021


Conservative Jews... conservative Christians and even Muslims can easily be convinced of the value in investing in turning deserts green but a carbon tax would take more than a century to begin to decrease the tendency for ocean levels to rise.
But Chaim, I thought you said you were in Nova Scotia.
 
But Chaim, I thought you said you were in Nova Scotia.

I am in Nova Scotia... but technology that has been developed in Israel
is related to the solving of problems that we Nova Scotians are facing..... the real estate along the Bay of Fundy is in the position of
the proverbial "canary in a coal mine" when it comes to the threat posed by rising ocean levels.

The Sahara Forest Project for example was donated by Israel to Norway so that their diplomats and scientists could share that tech with
several Islamic nations.

https://www.saharaforestproject.com/
 
You mean kill everything and terraform from scratch?
It's not a question of big-bigger-biggest technology, which requires ever more ever scarcer resources to inmplement and invariably has major oopsies - unplanned, unintended, unforeseen and unfixable-in-the-available-time side-effects.
It's a question of a sudden switch from global insanity to sensible behaviour.
Ain't gonna happen.
So, do ahead - kill the oceans to rain on the trees that can't live in sand anyway.
 
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